<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://18/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">So, on that basis you would give two years, only, for any interested parties to complain and make as much trouble as they like to force the issue of a 'transition'.<div>To who? I can see the candidates lining up. Please bear in mind that there is a well established regulatory principle that control over critical infrastructure should not revert to dominant operators.</div><div><br></div><div>I wish to be recorded as opposing the language that DT-L is proposing.</div><div><br></div><div>CW</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 08 Apr 2015, at 16:18, Allan MacGillivray <<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Further to our call, this is what I propose for recommendations for DTL:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">DT-L Recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">That:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm; "><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 13px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">the transition framework outlined in this document be further developed into a detailed, fully functional, transition plan within 24 months of the date of implementation of the overall IANA stewardship transition;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 13px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">the budget for IANA operations be augmented with specific funding for the detailed transition plan development referred to in 1;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 13px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">the process established for the potential transitioning of the IANA functions to an operator other than ICANN (the escalation process) specifically recognize that the detailed transition plan referred to in 1 must be in place before the commencement of the transitioning process, and<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 13px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">(KSK recommendations from Jaap/Guru)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dt4-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">dt4-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:dt4-<a href="mailto:bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Grace Abuhamad<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>April-08-15 9:46 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dt4@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">dt4@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[DTL] Notes from DT-L Call on 8 April at 13:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Notes from today’s call are below: <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">DT-L Call on 8 April at 13:00 UTC</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Google Doc</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QRiXP9-nxM-h8FgJ_FyM962EwdjnRESrDT2jOtlRZZ0/edit?usp=sharing" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QRiXP9-nxM-h8FgJ_FyM962EwdjnRESrDT2jOtlRZZ0/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Wiki page</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocwgdtstwrdshp/DT-L+Transition+Plan" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocwgdtstwrdshp/DT-L+Transition+Plan</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Members of DT-L include</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">: <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">James Gannon -- apologies<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Guru Acharya<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Matthew Shears<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Christopher Wilkinson -- not in attendance <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Jaap Akkerhuis<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Allan MacGillivray<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Graeme Bunton <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Notes</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">: <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Scale back ambitions for the time-being and focus on current transition plan plan. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Suggestion to meet Friday's deadline is to: <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; "><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">use the template and evolve it based on the current transition plan;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">elaborate on the high-level principles; and <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">look at other dependencies with DTs (and other communities)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">elaborate a set of recommendations for how the plan should evolve post transition <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; ">Action</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Matthew): Capture David's comments on DT-L. Also will want to run this template by him tomorrow. </span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Dependencies with other DTs</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">: <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">DT-O (Budget) will not be addressing budget costs for transition plan. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">DT-M (Escalation): one of their escalation steps may at some point be a RFP or separation, but the detail is not being addressed. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Currently the escalation step relating to RFP says '6. Initiate RFP or [Process mechanism yet to be defined] [Pending Legal Advice & Fundamental Bylaw definition in CCWG]'<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">--> DT-L could recommend a process for transition <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; ">Action</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Allan): draft recommendations for escalation related aspects (will circulate on mailing list)</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">DT-N (Periodic Review) could also be related. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Things to note/edit in the document</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">: <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">- Scaling back from original plan to write a new transition plan, and instead focusing on the current transition plan and additions to it<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">- Have not received C.7.2 but submitted a DIDP request for it (submitted an received two other DIDP requests)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; ">Action</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Jaap): draft text and recommendations for KSK rollover. </span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; ">Action</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Guru): go over initial concerns (6 point in an email about the trasition plan) and see if addressed in draft. </span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Analysis of Transition Plan</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">: <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">'Document Structure' needs to refer to new proposal structure<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Transition Actions<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">'Deliverables not requiring transition' -- note the DIDP request for C.7.2<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">At best, we'll have a framework for a transition. What DT-L produces can be taken to another level at a later point. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: red; ">Deadline for edits to document in 24h. Aim for 13:00 UTC on 9 April</span></b><b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">. This way, Matthew will send text to David for review/feedback. </span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>dt4 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:dt4@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">dt4@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/dt4" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/dt4</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>