<div dir="ltr">Hi Keith, <div><br></div><div>I sent a couple comments last night but very concerned with how we can issue a Final report for the ePDP and then go back and do another initial report. I think we should consider all of these as numbered deliverables until the work of the ePDP is finalized and then submit a Final Report. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The<b> second deliverabl</b>e shall be the Initial Report which will include the items that received full consensus support per the triage document as well as all other items of the Temporary Specification (not including the Annex) that were considered and deliberated upon, followed by a Final Report following review of public comments. Per the illustrative timeline in section II of the charter, this implies that the Initial Report on the items related to the Temporary Specification (excluding the Annex) is expected to be published for public comment shortly after ICANN63 (October 2018) and the <b>Final Report</b> delivered to the GNSO Council for its consideration by the end of January / beginning of February 2019. <s><span></span></s></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><s><span> </span></s></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The third deliverable of the EPDP Team shall be an<b> Initial Report </b>outlining a<a></a><a>proposed model </a><span class="gmail-MsoCommentReference"><span style="font-size:8pt"><a class="gmail-msocomanchor" id="gmail-_anchor_1" name="_msoanchor_1">[PL1]</a> </span></span><span class="gmail-MsoCommentReference"><span style="font-size:8pt"><a class="gmail-msocomanchor" id="gmail-_anchor_2" name="_msoanchor_2">[DK2]</a> </span></span>of a system for providing accredited access to non-public registration data, where items having Full Consensus of the group are:<span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Other point I made was concerning the use of "registration" vs "registrant" data. For the most part the Temp Spec addresses Registrant data (and this is what is in dispute) not the full registration data which includes generated , register, and registry data. </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">We should reference registrant data unless we the topic includes all of the fields in the record. </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span> </span></p><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard"><hr class="gmail-msocomoff" align="left" size="1" width="33%"><div><div id="gmail-_com_1" class="gmail-msocomtxt"><a name="_msocom_1"></a><p class="gmail-MsoCommentText" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-MsoCommentReference"><span style="font-size:8pt"> <a class="gmail-msocomoff">[PL1]</a></span></span>Not clear what the “the proposed model” is? Should it be “a proposed model”?<span></span></p></div></div><div><div id="gmail-_com_2" class="gmail-msocomtxt"><a name="_msocom_2"></a><p class="gmail-MsoCommentText" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-MsoCommentReference"><span style="font-size:8pt"> <a class="gmail-msocomoff">[DK2]</a></span></span>Corrected to “a proposed model”<span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:11 AM, McGrady, Paul D. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thanks Keith.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">We can support my alternative language in J, even though I think the issue of harmonization is an important one the WG should consider. We can’t support Pam’s proposed language, so hopefully, Pam can agree that
my alternative language is acceptable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Drazek, Keith [mailto:<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 16, 2018 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com" target="_blank">pam.little@alibaba-inc.com</a>; <a href="mailto:Epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">Epdp-dt@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Pam and Paul,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attached is an updated version incorporating Pam’s edits and responding to her questions. I incorporated Paul’s suggested language below for Section J.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Keith<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 16, 2018 7:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pam Little <<a href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com" target="_blank">pam.little@alibaba-inc.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">Epdp-dt@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">
marika.konings@icann.org</a>; Drazek, Keith <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] RE: [Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Hi Pam,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thank you for your proposed edits. However, I do think that they eliminate an important concept that we were trying to get at and would prefer the question revert to its previous formulation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">If the DT decides to eliminate the concept of reconciliation/avoiding an unharmonized approach, I still think your proposed changes need some work.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">If we change to “Can the obligation to provide “reasonable access” be clarified or defined…” I think that leads us down the wrong path. J1 already focuses on clarifying and defining reasonable access. I think
we could ask “Can the obligation to provide “reasonable access” be further clarified and/or better defined through the implementation of a community-wide model…” We lose the idea of harmonization, which was the purpose of the question in the first place,
but ultimately those working on the answer will hopefully take into account issues that would tend to bring a discordant result and try to avoid those outcomes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">So, Keith, we would prefer that the question revert. If we can’t get that, we would be OK with:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">“Can the obligation to provide “reasonable access” be further clarified and/or better defined through the implementation of a
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">community-wide model for access or similar framework which takes into account at least the following elements:”</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Best to all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Epdp-dt [<a href="mailto:epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:epdp-dt-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pam Little<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 16, 2018 1:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">Epdp-dt@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">
marika.konings@icann.org</a>; Drazek, Keith <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Keith</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Many thanks to you and the small drafting team for the "final" draft.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Because of time zone differences, I have not had an opportunity to discuss this with my RrSG councillors or RrSG members but, in the interest fo time, I have made
some suggested edits and queries to the final draft. Most of them are intended to correct minor errors or add more clarity and consistency so I hope they are not controversial, except perhaps </span>my proposed change to J2 below:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black">"J2) Can the obligation to provide “reasonable access” be
</span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:red">clarified or defined</span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black"> <s>reconciled with the objective of avoiding, to the extent possible, an unharmonized approach to third-party access to registration data,
,</s> without the implementation of a community-wide model for access or similar framework which takes into account at least the following elements:"</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">It seems to me neither the langauge in the previous draft (re <span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">fragmentation </span>of
WHOIS) nor the final draft was helpful hence my proposed change to try to make it more neutral. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I also have a question regarding the last paragraph in the final draft:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<em><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">"The EPDP Team shall respect the
</span></em><span class="m_-2366938310801305002spellchecktypo"><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black">timelines</span></i></span><em><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> and deliverables as outlined in Annex A and A-1 of the ICANN Bylaws
and the EPDP Manual. As per the GNSO EPDP Working Group Guidelines, the EPDP Team shall develop a work plan that outlines the necessary steps and expected timing in order to achieve the milestones of the EPDP as set out in Annex A and A-1 of the ICANN Bylaws
and the EPDP Manual and submit this to the GNSO Council. Any significant updates to the work plan are expected to be communicated in a timely manner to the GNSO Council with an explanation as to why the work plan needed adjustment." </span></em><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The final draft Charter has set <span class="m_-2366938310801305002spellchecktypo">
timelines</span> for <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Deliverable 2. Is the EPDP Team expected to develop a work plan for all three deliverables? </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sender:Drazek, Keith via Epdp-dt <<a href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent at:2018 Jul 16 (Mon) 13:08</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="mailto:To%3AEpdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">To:Epdp-dt@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:Epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">Epdp-dt@icann.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:[Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello again everyone….<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now attached is the final draft of the EPDP WG Charter scope section for your review and our vote on the 19<sup>th</sup>.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have attached the redline version (against the version circulate to the DT last Wednesday) and the clean version.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your patience and for the constructive input of all parties.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Keith<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Drazek, Keith <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Drazek, Keith <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">Epdp-dt@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">
marika.konings@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] [Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all. Please wait before reviewing. I may have jumped the gun and we may have more suggested edits incoming from NCSG.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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On Jul 15, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Drazek, Keith via Epdp-dt <<a href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As discussed on <span class="m_-2366938310801305002spellchecktypo">Wednesday’s</span> EPDP Drafting Team call, attached is the final draft of the EPDP charter scope section.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I received a few suggested edits from Stephanie and <span class="m_-2366938310801305002spellchecktypo">
Darcy</span> and did my best to incorporate/address them. The small group has reviewed and agreed this is ready for approval at the 19 July Council meeting.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks to everyone for your contributions to this effort.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Keith<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><Updated Scope Section 15 July 2018 -- Consolidated Edits.<span class="m_-2366938310801305002spellchecktypo">docx</span>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><Updated Scope Section 15 July 2018 -- Consolidated Edits CLEAN.<span class="m_-2366938310801305002spellchecktypo">docx</span>><u></u><u></u></p>
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