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Dear Nenad,<br>
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thank you for your excellent comments. Please be so kind to find my
comments inline as I would like to take up each point separately:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/08/2017 04:02, Nenad Marinkovic
wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear
Olivier,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
would like to say that I would be happy to see different
plan, on the other hand I am not surprised that plan looks
like exactly like it is. There are lot of things to write
or say, but I would start with one, do we have some regular
EURALO event where we can build some strategy, discuss
something that we see like important issue for internet
users? Or we are only followers and send comments on issues
that ICANN, Registries or the other stakeholder are
interested to talk about?</span></p>
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We draft a yearly EURALO Hot Topics document and the updating of
this document will start very soon. In fact, we could launch the
discussion about this document on the EURALO list now, with a target
to complete its update by the next ICANN meeting (end of October).<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/display/EURALO/EURALO+HOT+TOPICS+2016">https://community.icann.org/display/EURALO/EURALO+HOT+TOPICS+2016</a><br>
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The question we ask on whether we can pursue issues to build some
strategy that we see important to end users or only respond to
public comments or issues raised by other stakeholders is important.
According to the ALAC's mandate as defined in the bylaws, we do
BOTH.<br>
<br>
Article XI; Section 2.4.a. "The At-Large <abbr title="Advisory
Committee" class="">Advisory Committee</abbr> (<abbr
title="At-Large Advisory Committee">ALAC</abbr>) is the primary
organizational home within <abbr title="Internet Corporation for
Assigned Names and Numbers" class="">ICANN</abbr> for individual
Internet users. The role of the <abbr title="At-Large Advisory
Committee">ALAC</abbr> shall be to consider and provide advice on
the activities of <abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers" class="">ICANN</abbr>, insofar as they relate
to the interests of individual Internet users. This includes
policies created through <abbr title="Internet Corporation for
Assigned Names and Numbers" class="">ICANN</abbr>'s <abbr
title="Supporting Organizations" class="">Supporting Organizations</abbr>,
as well as the many other issues for which community input and
advice is appropriate. The <abbr title="At-Large Advisory
Committee" class="">ALAC</abbr>, which plays an important role in
<abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers"
class="">ICANN</abbr>'s accountability mechanisms, also
coordinates some of <abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers">ICANN</abbr>'s outreach to individual Internet
users."<br>
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It is possible for the ALAC to spontaneously comment on anything
that is related to ICANN, even outside Public Comments. How to
initiate something like this? Ideally, convince your RALO ALSes by
raising the issue in the RALO. If there is a significant support,
the RALO Leader should consult other RALOs and the ALAC members from
the region should consult the ALAC. A decision can then be made by
the ALAC whether to issue a Statement. This has happened in the
past.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Individuals
or ALSs, it depends on previous answer. I do not see that
any stakeholder is interested for RALOs like organization,
but more like individuals and I do not see their support
except like support for individuals. Fellowship programs are
popular with RIPE, ICANN, EURODIG. ISOC… but they target
individuals. So, my opinion is that RALO has better
perspective if we find our own ideas, topics and events… Of
course, we need more resources, and here we come on main
issue, who is interested to support strong RALO or how to
become strong on our own way? Education and information on
internet technology, applications, business opportunity,
digital coins etc. are some of the issues that we should
bring closer to internet users.</span></p>
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<br>
You make some interesting points and I hope others will comment on
them. Perhaps can we take this up with the At-Large Outreach &
Engagement working group so we can build momentum on these ideas
with other RALOs. If you are not a member of that working group,
please let me know and we'll get you subscribed.<br>
You do mention education about internet technology, applications,
etc. We need to be very careful that our education relates to
ICANN's mandate. Our activities are bound by the activities of
ICANN, thus Internet Identifiers including the DNS & IP
addresses. ICANN has come under criticism for funding activities
that were not directly related to its mandate, so we are unlikely to
find support at ICANN if we ignore this.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Very
indicative was session on ICANN59 – if Internet is public
interest, where ALAC participants had so different position,
it was obvious that there were only personal attitudes
without any conclusion, recommendation on such important
issue (btw thanks to Wolf who moderated it).</span></p>
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This is a seriously complex issue - but I am happy it is still being
discussed at ICANN. That said, there are significant stakeholder
groups that think that the matter should not even be discussed -
that's what we are up against. How do we unblock this situation?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
would like to see the strength of RALOs like organization
and then we can find way to attract ALSs and more interest
in general. We are internet users, at the end Internet has
no sense without us and we do not have representative
organization, while the other stakeholder has. We have
individuals who participate in the other organization
activities.</span></p>
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Yes! Yes! Yes!<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
like MoU with RIPE, like the other RALOs did in their
regions, and I would like to recognize their (RIPE, ISOC,
ICANN, Governments. EC, EU…) truly support to organization
of internet users, not like support to individuals.</span></p>
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Understood. I think that once we have signed a MoU with RIPE we
should launch a discussion with them about this topic.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
email represent my personal message, and is not PlugIn
statement like ALS. Sorry for my Serbian English, I hope
that everybody can understand it in positive and affirmative
way for EURALO development</span></p>
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Your comments are very significant. Thank you!<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:euralo-tf-als-engagement-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">euralo-tf-als-engagement-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:euralo-tf-als-engagement-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">mailto:euralo-tf-als-engagement-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 August, 2017 19:11<br>
<b>To:</b> 'EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [euralo-tf-als-engagement] Fwd: EURALO
Outreach Strategic Plan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement,<br>
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the EURALO Board has not added any further comments to the
attached outreach plan. Comments are welcome within the next
24H here too, so we can file this plan by the end of the week.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[Euro-board] EURALO Outreach
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wed, 9 Aug 2017 21:34:52 +0200<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <a
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<pre>Dear EURALO Board,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>please be so kind to find attached the draft EURALO Outreach Strategic Plan.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Ideally, as we are late filing this, I'd like to get a quick turnaround<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>of comments from you in the next 24H, so I can email it to file it in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>the CROP process as soon as possible.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Kindest regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Olivier<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
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