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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Please find the MP3 recording of the </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>GAC / GNSO Consultation Group </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>teleconference held on Tuesday 2<span style='color:#1F497D'>8</span> January 2014 at 1400 UTC at:<span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-20140128-en.mp3"><span lang=EN-US>http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-20140128-en.mp3</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <span class=apple-style-span>On page: <br></span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan"><span lang=EN-US>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> <b><span style='background:yellow'>Please also note that the next call is scheduled for Tuesday<span style='color:#1F497D'>, </span>11 February <u>at 14:00 UTC</u></span><u>.</u></b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=FR-BE style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span lang=EN-US>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a></span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><u><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Attendees:<br>Government Advisory Committee<br></span></u></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Manal Ismail – co-chair - Egypt<br>Ana Neves - Portugal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Suzanne Radel - USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mark Carvell <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> UK<span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span>Gema Maria Campillos - Spain<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>GNSO Council<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jonathan Robinson – co-chair - Registries Stakeholder Group<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mikey O’Connor –Internet Service Providers & Connectivity Providers Constituency<br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Amr Elsadr – Non Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><u><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Apology:</span></u></span><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><u><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>ICANN Staff:</span></u></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Marika Konings</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Olof Nordling<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Julia Charvolen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Glen de Saint Géry <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</span></span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Public archives of the mailing list can be found at:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/</a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thank you.<br>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Adobe Chat transcript:<span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span> Marika Konings:Welcome to the GAC-GNSO Consultation Group on Early Engagement Meeting of 28 January 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Manal:just joined .. trying to say hi .. can u hear me?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Manal:ok will try again ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Jonathan Robinson:I always struggle to get mic through Adobe. It works with other applications.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Jonathan Robinson:On telephone audio now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:An example of such a notification by the Board can be found here: </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/crocker-to-dryden-12nov13-en"><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/crocker-to-dryden-12nov13-en</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Hey Marika..., are letters like these sent with every PDP?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:@Amr - yes, although I do have to admit that we have standardized this for the most recent PDPs (IRTP Part C, UDRP Lock and Thick Whois)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Before that, I may have happened in other ways (emails, conversations, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:I = it<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Thnx. That's both interesting and helpful. (at least for me) :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mike O'Connor:how about this for language "Only then does the Board request GAC advice, a process that appears to need review and improvement"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Manal:A timing difficulty arises because the Board seeks GAC advice only when the GNSO PDP reaches the Board at a very late stage of the GNSO policy-deliberation process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> suzanne Radell:I would agree with Manal and Jonathan's comments<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mike O'Connor:Only then does the Board request GAC advice, an example of a process that appears to need review and improvement by this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> suzanne Radell:Thanks to Amr for emphasizing the "early" aspects of GAC-GNSO engagement<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Mikey: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mike O'Connor:right Mark, there are actually a bunch of formal notifications wired into earlier parts of the process as well<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Mark: Absolutely agree. Attention and participation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mike O'Connor:final version i've got "Only then does the Board request GAC advice, which is an example of a process that appears to need review and improvement."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> suzanne Radell:In the interests of full disclosure, I find the written word more understandable than graphics alone; hence, my suggestion to Mikey that we somehow try to combine the two approaches.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mark Carvell:It works well to combine the two like this. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Jonathan Robinson:Agreed. To me the graphic illustrates the process. The table the key questions and associated work at points in the process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Sorry, I disconnected instead of muting :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:unmuting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mark Carvell:Is there a GNSO sift or prioritisation process of this identify/frame question stage? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Ana Neves:Agree with Jonathan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Am back<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Olof Nordling:On Mikey's question: Yes, An AC-initiated issue report calls for a Council vote to prompt a PDP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> suzanne Radell:Apologies to all, but I too need to drop off the call to prepare for a subsequent conference call. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Manal:I have 2 questions here .. One has to do with the structure of the document and the other is regarding the approach for commenting .. On the structure, does the diagram and the table both include the same steps .. because what I understood from last call was that the diagram describes the status quo whereas the table includes proposal for opportunities for early consultation with the GAC as suggested by Suzanne .. On the approach, Should we discuss the table then modify the diagram accordingly <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:A quick response to one of Gema's points: As Mikey pointed out, there are several points in the PDP where input expected. The issue of public policy not being taken into account when policy is being developed could be addressed in drafting PDP WG charters. This was the case (for example) in the "thick" whois PDP WG, where the WG charter required the WG to consider cross-jurisdictional issues dealing with data protection and privacy. Ultimately, the WG lacked the capacity to address the issue properly, which is one example in which GAC early engagement might be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:OK. Not so quick. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mike O'Connor:great idea<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Manal:I believe in Singapore we need to report where we stand on everything and stress some points where we seek further input ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Ana Neves:right!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Manal:+1 Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Gema Campillos:In my view, identifying public policy issues should be done by the GAC as a whole, not by a single GAC member o group of members. We only have to craft a methodology to do it quickly at the GAC. For instance, when responding to letters sent out by the GNSO to seek input from constituencies into their work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Glen de Saint Géry <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:FR'>GNSO Secretariat <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:FR'><a href="mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org">gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:FR'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org">http://gnso.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>