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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Mark ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was fine with the initial phrase, </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“at a very late stage”, </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>as I understood it exactly as you have described ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But if there’s a probability that it may be misunderstood, I’m equally fine with either alternative, </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“at the end stage” or “ in the final stage”, as </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>suggested by Marika and yourself</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <span lang=EN-GB>.. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Frankly, I have to admit I do not see big difference, so I’m flexible ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> CARVELL, Mark [mailto:Mark.Carvell@Culture.gsi.gov.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> Manal Ismail; Marika Konings; Mike O'Connor; GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gac-gnso-cg] version 7 of the charter - reflecting the last editson today's call<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Marika and Manal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rather than “at the end stage”, perhaps “ in the final stage” is preferable as the more usual turn of phrase. I thought “at a very late stage” was ok because it effectively conveys a useful emphasis of near finality and “late” has simply the temporal meaning here: as in "they won the match with a late goal" it does not infer a delay or tardiness.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mark <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org">gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Manal Ismail<br><b>Sent:</b> 29 January 2014 11:10<br><b>To:</b> Marika Konings; Mike O'Connor; <a href="mailto:GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org">GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gac-gnso-cg] version 7 of the charter - reflecting the last editson today's call<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Marika .. I see your point and personally, I’m fine with replacing 'at a very late stage' by 'at the end' ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For the sake of the charter, I believe the more we stick to facts, rather than opinions, the easier we reach consensus ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings [<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">mailto:marika.konings@icann.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Manal Ismail; Mike O'Connor; <a href="mailto:GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org">GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gac-gnso-cg] version 7 of the charter - reflecting the last editson today's call<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If I may make another suggestion for a change – could we use 'at the end' instead of 'at a very late stage' so that the sentence as reworded by Manal would read 'A timing difficulty arises because the Board seeks GAC advice only when the GNSO PDP reaches the Board at the end stage of the GNSO policy-deliberation process'. Very late stage seems to imply that it should have reached the Board earlier but it didn't, while at the end stage reflects the reality of the current PDP (the Board only gets involved at the end stage of the process).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Marika<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday 29 January 2014 11:14<br><b>To: </b>Mike O'Connor <<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">mike@haven2.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org">GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org">GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gac-gnso-cg] version 7 of the charter - reflecting the last editson today's call<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Many thanks Mikey, as usual unbeatable speed </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> .. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear All ..</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I've included below the paragraph under debate for ease of reference .. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'><span style='color:black'>"The GAC is structured under the ICANN Bylaws to provide advice to the Board. A timing difficulty arises because the GNSO PDP reaches the Board at a very late stage of the GNSO policy-deliberation process and it may only be at that time that the GAC turns its attention to the GNSO’s work. [Only then does the Board request GAC advice, which is an example of a process that appears to need review and improvement.]" <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The sentence "</span><span style='color:black'>and it may only be at that time that the GAC turns its attention to the GNSO’s work.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>" implies that the GAC does not know about the GNSO's work until the Board seeks advice, which is not the case ..</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hence the suggestion I did during the call was: </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='color:black'>"The GAC is structured under the ICANN Bylaws to provide advice to the Board. A timing difficulty arises because the Board seeks GAC advice only when the GNSO PDP reaches the Board at a very late stage of the GNSO policy-deliberation process."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also believe this serves the purpose:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='color:black'>"The GAC is structured under the ICANN Bylaws to provide advice to the Board. The GNSO PDP reaches the Board at a very late stage of the GNSO policy-deliberation process. A timing difficulty arises when the Board then seeks GAC advice because only at that time that the GNSO gets to know about GAC concerns. [A process that appears to need review and improvement.] <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For me, the sentence between square brackets is not indicated but does not harm the meaning ..</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Looking forward to hearing what others think ..</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org">gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike O'Connor<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org">GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Gac-gnso-cg] version 7 of the charter - reflecting the last editson today's call</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>here’s the version of the draft<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>m<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Vodafone in partnership with Symantec. 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