<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Right you are, Mikey. Posting of current versions is what I had in mind. I had actually intended to use the “thick” WHOIS PDP WG’s wiki as an example. I think it would have been a great one to show the folks on this list. It had the links for the sub-teams and many feedback documents from the community on the charter questions (all final references, not working drafts), but I found out that it had been significantly changed in preparation for the Implementation Review Team.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Amr</div><br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Mike O'Connor <<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">mike@haven2.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">hi all,<div><br></div><div>i agree. i’ve found that wiki’s are a great way to collect the current versions of drafts. looking through Amr’s note, i think this is where he’s headed as well. </div><div><br></div><div>actually using the wiki as a place to *revise* drafts is harder, but i don’t think Amr is headed that direction. </div><div><br></div><div>mikey</div><div><br></div><div> <br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:23 AM, Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear Amr ..<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I personally don't mind having a GAC-GNSO CG Wiki, particularly with information sharing, progress updating and transparency in mind ..<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So if you mean that we need to have it as a viewer-friendly public archive, I don't think anyone would mind .. but if you are proposing it as a collaborative platform for content editing by group members, this is what I was challenging, out of my experience with the GAC ..<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I stand to be corrected if my above interpretations are not accurate .. But again, to be clear, I'm not against having a Wiki page in principle, and very much welcome the initiative !!<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Looking forward to hearing what others think ..<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--Manal <o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Amr Elsadr<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, February 24, 2014 10:28 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">GAC-GNSO-CG@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gac-gnso-cg] GAC-GNSO CG Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I was hoping we could revisit a recommendation I made during the first couple of meetings we had, and that was to have a wiki space for our group. With the increasing number of documents this Consultation Group (CG) is drafting, I believe it would be helpful to have them all available in one location for easy access. For example, the four documents and one PPT circulated by Manal regarding tomorrow’s meeting in addition to this group’s draft charter. It’s a lot easier to use than rummaging through an inbox or folder looking for the latest draft of a specific document.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">There is an added benefit to having a personal wiki space for this CG, and that is the ability to share our work with our respective community members, and keep them updated on the progress that we make.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Using a wiki page doesn’t pose a technical difficulty (incase that is a concern). In my (limited) experience, ICANN staff have done most of the heavy lifting when it comes to keeping them updated. They pretty much arrange the different pages on a wiki and post stuff according to the group’s requests to do so.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Check this wiki page for the <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/Translation+and+Transliteration+of+Contact+Information+PDP+Home" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP</a> as an example. It’s a relatively new PDP WG, so the page hasn’t been loaded with lots of stuff, but it should give you all an idea on how it works.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">As you can see, there is a menu on the left side of the page with links to useful stuff like the PDP WG’s charter, the members list, relevant studies to the PDP/background documents as well as a link to proposed questions the WG will be tackling in the near future, with each question having its respective dedicated wiki page with updates on progress.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I imagine that having a wiki for this group would help our GAC members share updates with the rest of the GAC, and a question on this has already been brought up during the last GNSO Council meeting. I figure that since this mailing list is already a publicly archived one, it wouldn’t hurt to have a space where our work is accessible in a more viewer-friendly manner.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Let me know what you think.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Amr<o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Gac-gnso-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gac-gnso-cg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Gac-gnso-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gac-gnso-cg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gac-gnso-cg</a></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.haven2.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.haven2.com</a>, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)</span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>