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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'>A few thoughts I have, and I’m sorry I didn’t have the opportunity to share them earlier during everyone else’s commentary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'>On page 1, we call out “Strong support but significant opposition” about Council speaking for the GNSO, but we don’t do the same for the rest of the recommendations. I second Amr’s suggestion that we call out consensus level for each of our four recommendations. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'>Regarding item 2 from below, I recommend a bit of a language change shown in red below to more accurately reflect that this is an opinion of certain DT members:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>“DT members from the Commercial Stakeholders Group said Council should not decide non-policy matters, since ICANN Bylaws say Council is “responsible for managing the policy development process of the GNSO,” </span><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:red'>and it is their position that this language <s> This </s></span><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>implies that Council is limited to policy and that GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies should handle other matters. <span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>On the other hand, some DT members noted that there is no provision in the Bylaws for any group, be it Council or the GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies, to assume these new powers and that there is currently no procedure for GNSO Stakeholder Groups to handle these matters.</span>”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'>Regarding the yellow highlighting above, I remember our discussions on this a bit differently. I may be confusing it with another discussion since the “some DT members” language doesn’t indicate which of us we’re discussing, but I think many DT members said that the “responsible for managing the policy development process of the GNSO” language doesn’t prohibit Council from working on non-policy matters. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'>Do we have any feedback from David Maher to these various drafts/emails? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'>Darcy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Candara'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><gnso-bylaws-dt-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 4:01 PM<br><b>To: </b>matthew shears <mshears@cdt.org>, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org>, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>, "gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org" <gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org><br><b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-bylaws-dt] Another LAST CALL on revised DT report<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>In the interest of getting this done, I offer the attached revised report, with these changes:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>1. Made the page 1 edit proposed by Wolf-Ulrich in response to Amr, and added level of consensus, as requested by Amr. It now reads:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri'>Note: Three DT members (IPC, ISPCP, and BC) do not support Council exercising any of the new powers by voting within the present House-bound structure. The recommendation that Council would speak for GNSO therefore has “Strong support but significant opposition”. Nonetheless, all DT members contributed to consensus recommendations for voting thresholds on the assumption that GNSO Council would approve nominations and actions created under the new ICANN Bylaws. </span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>2. On page 4 we follow Matthew’s request to shorten the “not sustainable” point while retaining Amr's added counter-arguments. It now reads: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>DT members from the Commercial Stakeholders Group said Council should not decide non-policy matters, since ICANN Bylaws say Council is “responsible for managing the policy development process of the GNSO”. This implies that Council is limited to policy and that GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies should handle other matters. On the other hand, some DT members noted that there is no provision in the Bylaws for any group, be it Council or the GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies, to assume these new powers and that there is currently no procedure for GNSO Stakeholder Groups to handle these matters.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>For those of you counting words and looking for balance, that paragraph is now 49 words for each point of view! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>So, are we good to go??? Please reply by 12 UTC on Wednesday 12-Oct.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>—Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><<a href="mailto:gnso-bylaws-dt-bounces@icann.org">gnso-bylaws-dt-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:36 PM<br><b>To: </b>Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>>, WUKnoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org">gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org">gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-bylaws-dt] Correction<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Hi Amr - I believe that I suggested more or less the same. The <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>repetition of the same perspective is unfortunate particularly as it is <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>made very explicit up front and in the recommendations section.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>On 11/10/2016 21:04, Amr Elsadr wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Speaking for myself, I have noted over previous versions of the report that it seemed biased towards the minority view, which is a bit odd. Perhaps less so now, but it does seem to me to still be the case. For one thing, I suggested taking out redundant text that repeats the same point in multiple parts of the report.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>This is on page 3:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>“Some DT members noted that the Bylaws describe the role of GNSO Council to be “responsible for managing the policy development process of the GNSO,” which does not cover the non-policy decisions related to exercise of powers of the Empowered Community."<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>And this is on page 4:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>"Some DT members noted that it was not sustainable for Council to continue taking positions on non-policy matters, since the ICANN Bylaws designate Council as “responsible for managing the policy development process of the GNSO”. This could imply that Council is limited to policy matters and that GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies should handle other matters.”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>I really don’t understand why they both need to be in the report on two separate pages, when they pretty much say the exact same thing. I already asked for the section on page 4 to be removed. Is there a reason that I am missing to explain it wasn’t?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Calibri'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri'>Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:21 PM<br><b>To: </b>Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org">gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org">gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-bylaws-dt] LAST CALL: GNSO Bylaws DT report and matrix -- final version for DT approval<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Amr — <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good point about Consensus level, and I thought a lot about that. GNSO Working Group Guidelines (<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-01sep16-en.pdf">link</a>), at Section 3.6, suggests two possible designations for our recommendations:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Consensus</b> - a position where only a small minority disagrees, but most agree.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span></b><b> Strong support but significant oppositio</b>n - a position where, while most of the group supports a recommendation, there are a significant number of those who do not support it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>I’d say we had <b>Strong support but significant opposition</b> on the <u>Who</u> and <u>How</u> questions described in the Evolution section of our report.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And for the recommendations on pages 1-2, I’d say we had <b>Consensus</b> — but qualified by the abstention of CSG reps. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As to whether we drop any discussion of how the DT came to its recommendation, that’s against the GNSO Working Group Guidelines (<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-01sep16-en.pdf">link</a>). Specifically:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT'>In cases of </span><b><span style='font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS","serif"'>Consensus</span></b><span style='font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT'>, </span><b><span style='font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS","serif"'>Strong support but significant opposition</span></b><span style='font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT'>, and </span><b><span style='font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS","serif"'>No Consensus</span></b><span style='font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT'>, an effort should be made to document that variance in viewpoint and to present any </span><b><span style='font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS","serif"'>Minority View </span></b><span style='font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT'>recommendations that may have been made. Documentation of </span><b><span style='font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS","serif"'>Minority View </span></b><span style='font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT'>recommendations normally depends on text offered by the proponent(s). In all cases of </span><b><span style='font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS","serif"'>Divergence, </span></b><span style='font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT'>the WG Chair should encourage the submission of minority viewpoint(s). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ Gnso-bylaws-dt mailing list Gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-bylaws-dt<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>