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</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the MP3 recording for the GNSO Bylaws Implementation Drafting Team- call held on </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Wednesday 06 April 2017 at 14:00 UTC at<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">: <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the GNSO Bylaws Implementation Drafting Team Call held on Thursday, 06 April 2017 at 14:00 UTC</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting Wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_dcXRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=sgDef-sldwquaWh7KIdd9FPf7saZ023AVkkZ4AhZjPY&s=59mtn7CtV9bB0os7UAtEPLZAapDO63ddTYGXA9Wj3Mg&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_dcXRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=sgDef-sldwquaWh7KIdd9FPf7saZ023AVkkZ4AhZjPY&s=59mtn7CtV9bB0os7UAtEPLZAapDO63ddTYGXA9Wj3Mg&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve DelBianco [BC]:Marika distributed the above document (and one other). Does anyone need us to re-send those docs now?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I am, but waiting for a dial out. Thanks Steve.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Wolf-Ulrich, note I made the change to item 1 as requested but have not circulated this version yet</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:ICANN Legal :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:Thanks Marika</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Hi. sorry I am late. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Darcy Southwell:Hello. Sorry to be late!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The GNSO can perhaps develop its own rules for who and how to raise a petition, and check in with the other Decisional Participants and ICANN Legal as to consistency across the EC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:so should it be a requirement then for SG/Cs to define the procedures for their respective members to request a petition?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Is there a mechanism for individuals outside of ICANN's SOs/ACs to contact GNSO SGs/Cs with requests like this?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Steve is correct - there is a 21 day period for the petition to be filed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:so maybe it is just a question of communication to the membership of the different groups so that they are aware that a request for petition will follow normal SG/C procedures? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:There is basically a total 28 day period to get this done - 21 for the petition to be submitted to and considered by the relevant Decisional Participant, and then 7 to get the support of another Decisional
Participant.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:If I'm not mistaken, Council can vote on motions outside of regular meetings, but those are still subject to the ten-day rule on submission of a motion prior to voting on it. Something to consider within
the 21-day limitation for submission of petitions?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:On the question of the need to document procedures, I refer to the Bylaws at 6.1(g): (g) Each Decisional Participant shall, except as otherwise provided in Annex D, adopt procedures for exercising
the rights of such Decisional Participant pursuant to the procedures set forth in Annex D, including (i) who can submit a petition to such Decisional Participant, (ii) the process for an individual to submit a petition to such Decisional Participant, including
whether a petition must be accompanied by a rationale, (iii) how the Decisional Participant determines whether to accept or reject a petition, (iv) how the Decisional Participant determines whether an issue subject to a petition has been resolved, (v) how
the Decisional Participant determines whether to support or object to actions supported by another Decisional Participant, and (vi) the process for the Decisional Participant to notify its constituents of relevant matters.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:If the procedure for the GNSO as a Decisional Participant to take in a petition is to expect that to come up from the established SGs and Cs, then there is likely a requirement for documentation
of how an individual would initiate that petition conversation, at whatever level of the GNSO structure that responsibility is delegated to</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:@Marika, wouldn't those "scheduled petition meetings" have to be set almost weekly throughout the year since one cannot predict just when a decision subject to petitoin would be made? Does not sound
practical. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Darcy Southwell:Agree with Steve M. that regularly scheduled petition meetings are not practical given the very short time frame. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve DelBianco [BC]:@Steve -- agree with you that the pre-scheduled Council meeitngs are not a pracical solution. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:@Steve - M. good point - we need to have a closer look at the timing aspect to see how this could work. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:+1 Sam that each SG/C should document its own procedures. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Note that the time frame for the petition may be short (21+7) but the community will have known long before that when a Board action (e.g. Budget approval) is expected and will take place, so planning
can be done way before the petition period starts.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Steve DB, yes, got it - we will get back to the DT with that specific answer shortly.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:Recall when you're considering the petition phase and expedited procedures, there is also a 7 day window at the end of the 21 day petitioning period for each decisional participant to consider if
it will second a petition. So there could be a need for 2 meetings</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:To clarify my position, it is important that each SG/C have documented procedures on how the petition is raised to them for bringing the motion to Council</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Yes, thank you</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Darcy Southwell:It looks like the 21-day clock starts running when the D.C. receives a removal petition.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Darcy, yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:The timing starts from when the petition is received</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:it is not based on when the Council decides</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:agree with S. Metalitz's reading</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Ditto</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:It will be important to use standardized language for petitions - though petitions will be brought before the GNSO by way of motion, the rest of the Empowered Community would expect to see it discussed
as a PETITION, so there was no confusion about the status of the EC process. This is a semantics issue, not a process issue</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Yes, likely title would be: 'Motion - Petition to.....'</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Darcy Southwell:No objections.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:no. we if no h</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:houses should not be able to interfere </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:on a side note, is there a timeline for the NCPH board seat selection procedures? As there are a number of other items that need updating in the GNSO Operating Procedures as a result of other recommendations
(not related to the post-transition Bylaws) we are considering bundling these into one public comment period so not to overwhelm the community with a number of separate public comment periods on the operating procedures. T</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve DelBianco [BC]:@Marika -- understand that is important, but please don't bring that into todays conversation!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Noted Steve - as we get closer on revising the operating procedures and public comment, staff will check in with you all :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:@Farzi do you have a proposal for how the other house would be involved?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:To cover the point that a board member is accountable to the entire (SO) community, the other house could be invited to file an opinion on the case but shouldn't be given a decisive role</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:+1 Wolf Ulrich -- would not object to reqiring 3/4 majority "after providing opportunity for input fromr the other house" </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:3/4 majority of the house that selected the director, that is</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:yes. wolf and steves coo</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:yes wolf-rich and steves comments seem a good compromise</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:@Sam correct that the motion in this case would have to be rather elaborate, include the rationale, proposed Decisional Party rep, etc. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:isn't the individual the rep for the group? that's how I took it. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:the indemnified individual? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:@Lori: you may need an insurance :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:We'd have to check against the Bylaws, which vests the discussion requirement in the Decisional Participant</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:Sorry, have to drop off shortly. Agree that this (#46) could pretty much follow #44. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Farzaneh Badii:sorry I got kicked out</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Darcy Southwell:Hi, all ... I have to drop in a minute too. Agree that this should follow #44. Becasue this is the entire Board, the supermajority is across the GNSO Council, not at the house level.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:So the maker of a motion re petition shall be a SG/C, not a councillor</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:and the seconder?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Wolf-Ulrich, only Councilors can propose and second motions</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:only a Council member can propose a motion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:so that is for SG/Cs to define in their procedures that their respective Council members are directed in those instances?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:it could becovered under "whereas"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Samantha Eisner:Have to sign off </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Farzaneh Badii:so it has to be through NCSG. thanks </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:thanks all!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Farzaneh Badii:thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:this was very good call. thanks. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve DelBianco [BC]:Thanks everyone</div>
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