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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Gnso-bylaws-dt <gnso-bylaws-dt-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, April 29, 2019 at 12:40 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org" <gnso-bylaws-dt@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-bylaws-dt] FW: Notes & Action items: ccNSO GRC | 29 April 2019 | 12:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please see below the notes and action items captured by the ccNSO Guidelines Review Committee (GRC) support staff from the call this morning. Please also see the slides provided by the GNSO DT support staff.
The topic of the meeting was the coordination between the ccNSO GRC and the GNSO DT in the development of guidelines concerning consultation on the initiation of a Special IFR under section 18.12 of the ICANN Bylaws.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Julie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Julie Hedlund, Policy Director</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Joke Braeken <joke.braeken@icann.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, April 29, 2019 at 9:11 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>ccnso-grc <ccnso-grc@icann.org>, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Notes & Action items: ccNSO GRC | 29 April 2019 | 12:00 UTC </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find included below the
<span style="color:black">notes and action items from today’s ccNSO GRC meeting, held on 29 April 2019 | 12:00 UTC</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">ACTION ITEMS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in"><b><i><span style="color:black">Action item #1:</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Staff to seek clarification from ICANN legal:
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a/ initiation special IFR and next steps <br>
b/ unclarity between the bylaw and/or the IANA naming function contract (Remedial Action Procedure and IANA Problem Resolution Process)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Action item #2:</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><br>
Staff to suggest next steps from there ( design of process, identify decisions to be taken + need for criteria, and additional questions).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">NOTES</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Welcome and roll call</span></b><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">Introduction by Katrina Sataki, ccNSO chair.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">Thank you to ICANN staff colleagues Julie and Ariel, and GNSO-participants, including Heather - Chair GNSO task force</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:0in;mso-list:l10 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><b><span style="color:black">Special IANA Naming Functions Review (IFR)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="A">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Presentation by Julie Hedlund, supporting the GNSO (bylaws) drafting team.
</span></b><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">Additional guidance needed regarding some actions of the GNSO as a decisional participant. E.g. templates for voting, guidelines in conjunction with operating procedures.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">New GNSO drafting team was established in January 2019. The DT (10 members) is currently working on guidelines. Goal: for consideration by GNSO Council at ICANN59.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">DT recently started looking into 18.12 of the ICANN Bylaws (special IFRs): proposed process for revising procedures and outcomes and a consultation process developed with
ccNSO on whether to initiate special IFRs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">Where ccNSO and GNSO might need to coordinate:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jointly determine the criteria for determining the trigger for an IFR. How formal should the coordination be? Who are the parties?
</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">How to agree to jointly initiate an IFR</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">How to communicate the joint IFR</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="A">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Introduction to GRC by Katrina Sataki</span></b><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">Started a few years ago, volunteers from ccTLD community. Started by reviewing existing guidelines, and over time started developing new guidelines. Approval actions /
rejection actions: a lot of work has been done already in that area by the ccNSO. GRC is happy to assist GNSO with the work related to Annex D. Advise: simulations are a helpful exercise.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">Calls every 2 weeks. List of guidelines is being shown.
</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ccnso.icann.org_de_about_guidelines.htm&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=jmZAKFJQPLjrDCGzB5oyu4haB80pJcg7orSknKbRlFk&s=LMDMUFfi7mee4emcH-bgv-PGV_Mdooth4qbxfqSKn7c&e="><span style="color:#1155CC">https://ccnso.icann.org/de/about/guidelines.htm</span>
[ccnso.icann.org]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">Once GRC finalised a document, it is being sent out to ccNSO council for initial review, and then to the ccNSO membership for review and input. Comments go back to GRC,
next step: approval by the ccNSO Council. Documents adopted by the ccNSO Council are published on ccNSO website. ccNSO members have 7 days to veto/ask for a vote.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">David McAuley: Annex D (rejection/approval actions) is indeed extraordinarily complex.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="A">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Presentation on special IFRs by Bart Boswinkel</span></b><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Approval Action Guideline: also completed. Will be sent to council for adoption shortly.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">The ccNSO does not have “operational procedures”. Section in Bylaws allow the ccNSO to develop its own rules and guidelines.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Triggering events. How initiated?</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify;mso-list:l8 level2 lfo6;vertical-align:baseline">
<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">1. Remedial Action Procedure CSC: </span></i><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span style="color:black">clear process. Agreed procedure between CSC and PTI. Available on CSC website. The remedial action procedures can be found at:
</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_csc-2Dremedial-2Daction-2Dprocedures-2D19feb19-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=jmZAKFJQPLjrDCGzB5oyu4haB80pJcg7orSknKbRlFk&s=xIFUsO3dJEv_b1-fzfEI2rdr5RC6izMcKQZHeSgv00Q&e="><span style="color:#1155CC">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/csc-remedial-action-procedures-19feb19-en.pdf</span>
[icann.org]</a><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">
</span><span style="color:black"> The CSC may defer an issue to ccNSO and GNSO Councils.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span style="color:black">Section V(f) - 3rd escalation to icann board. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">2. IANA problem resolution process as set forth in IANA naming function contract:</span></i><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span style="color:black">Section 8.2. IANA naming function contract. Defined as remedial action process. Unclear which process they are referring to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span style="color:black">Section 8.1. Complaint resolution process. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="apple-tab-span"><span style="color:black"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in">
<b><i><span style="color:black">To do: </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span style="color:black">contact icann org/Board/Legal to point out the unclarity between the bylaw and the iana naming function contract</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Meaningful consultation with other SO/ACs</span></i><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span style="color:black">What questions need to be addressed? Special IFR is a last resort. It does not come as a surprise: you see it coming. What type of consultation is it supposed to be? Who initiates the Special IFR? 18.12 of the bylaws. According to
bylaws, everything, except the triggering events, is governed by the part of the bylaws that talks about regular IFRS. if the Board fails to resolve the issue we brought to their attention, should we ask the Board to initiate a special IFR, or come to an agreement
between the 2 groups?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span style="color:black">Heather: disagrees with Katrina’s interpretation of 18.12.a.iii. Issue of timing. GNSO and ccNSO: the agreement as to whether to initiate a special IFR, is how the initiation of the special IFR happens.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="color:black">“The ccNSO and GNSO shall have considered the outcomes of the processes set forth in the preceding clauses (i) and (ii) and shall have conducted meaningful consultation with the other Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees
with respect to the PTI Performance Issue and whether or not to initiate a Special IFR”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="color:black">Bart: “(b) Each Special IFR shall be conducted by an IFRT and shall follow the same procedures and requirements applicable to Periodic IFRs as set forth in this Section 18, except that:”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></i></span><span style="color:black">What constitutes meaningful consultation?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span style="color:black">If we can agree to launch it, we can kick the process off. Is that how it was meant?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span style="color:black">Heather: confirmation needed from legal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><b><i><span style="color:black">To do:</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span style="color:black">Initiation of special IFRs to be clarified by ICANN Org</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span style="color:black">David McAuley:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in"><span style="color:black">GNSO supermajority = GNSO Council supermajority? To be clarified by GNSO DT.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Public comment period by ccNSO and GNSO. </span>
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<span style="color:black">both need to request this. 2 councils need to agree.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><i><span style="color:black">Action item #1:</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Staff to seek clarification from ICANN legal:
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a/ initiation special IFR and next steps <br>
b/ unclarity between the bylaw and/or the IANA naming function contract (Remedial Action Procedure and IANA Problem Resolution Process)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Action item #2:</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><br>
Staff to suggest next steps from there ( design of process, identify decisions to be taken + need for criteria, and additional questions).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">Heather: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">what are the actual mechanics? The GNSO council chair would potentially initiate communications, in writing. We need a formal process. We need to give the community the reassurance that we address this properly. We need a process that
is easy to follow. We should not make it overly complicated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">Katrina: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">we will see it coming. We can start out consultations earlier in the process. Once we step into that territory, we need to closely work together with the CSC, and we see how things evolve.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">From a ccNSO point of view, it is fair that the 2 chairs will discuss matters jointly. We probably need a joint statement from both councils, which also points out the next steps. What exactly we need to tell the other SO/ACs, when
it comes to meaningful consultation?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">At least one follow-up call needed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span style="color:black">Thank you all. Bye.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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