From lars.hoffmann at icann.org  Wed Aug  7 15:09:01 2013
From: lars.hoffmann at icann.org (Lars Hoffmann)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:09:01 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FW: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FIRST Meeting invitation:
 Charter Draft Team for the PDP on Translation and Transliteration of Contact
 information - Thursday 8 August 2013 at 1500 UTC
In-Reply-To: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215ABA6505D855@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE282F64.8739%lars.hoffmann@icann.org>

Dear all,
Just a quick reminder about tomorrow's meeting at 15.00 UTC (for other
places see:http://tinyurl.com/nh95ye3)
You will find all relevant information below.
Many thanks and best wishes,
Lars


From:  Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>
Date:  Friday, August 2, 2013 18:20 PM
To:  "ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org"
<ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Cc:  "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
Subject:  [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FIRST Meeting invitation: Charter
Draft Team for the PDP on Translation and Transliteration of Contact
information - Thursday 8 August 2013 at 1500 UTC

Dear All,

 
The first Charter Draft Team for the PDP on Translation and Transliteration
of Contact information teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 8 August
2013 at 1500 UTC 
08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST
For other places see:http://tinyurl.com/nh95ye3

 
 

Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled:

http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/
 
 
For those of you using the Adobe Connect audio, you may do so by activating
your computer microphone via the Adobe room (Using a headset is preferable
here).
Make sure your speakers and microphone are not on mute.

 - Select the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the AC toolbar and choose CONNECT
MY AUDIO (only option).
 - Select USING COMPUTER twice
 - Select ALLOW access to the ICANN adobe room
- the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the toolbar should then have changed into
a MICROPHONE ICON
 - You may click on this MICROPHONE ICON to mute yourself (Icon will then
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Participants must ALWAYS have their microphone or telephone on MUTE as
default setting. You are requested to RAISE YOUR HAND if you wish to
participate to avoid disruption.

 

Dial-in details are below.

If you require a dial-out, please let me know.

 

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Participant passcode: CONTACT

 

Dial in numbers:
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Thank you.

Kind regards,

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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug  8 19:31:30 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:31:30 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Actions: Charter Drafting Team Meeting 08 August 2013
Message-ID: <CE296A52.15385%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Please see below the actions from today's meeting.  These also are posted to
the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/08+August+2013.
Our meetings will occur weekly on Thursdays at 1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00
EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST). The next meeting is Thursday, 15 August.  A
meeting notification with teleconference information will be sent
separately.

Actions:

1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi
Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would
like to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.

2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB
Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect
room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director



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From nathalie.peregrine at icann.org  Thu Aug  8 19:48:22 2013
From: nathalie.peregrine at icann.org (Nathalie Peregrine)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:48:22 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Attendance and Recording  Translation and Transliteration of
 Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team meeting - 08 August 2013
Message-ID: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215ABA65302049@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>

Dear All,

The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team teleconference will be held on Thursday 15th August 2013 at 1500 UTC. These calls will now take place on a weekly basis.

Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team  call held on Thursday 08 August 2013 at 15:00 UTC at:


http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20130808-en.mp3

On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>aug


The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

Attendees:
Chris Dillon - NCSG
Rudi Vansnick - NPOC
Vinay Kumar Singh - individual

Apologies: none

ICANN staff:
Julie Hedlund
Lars Hoffman
Julia Charvolen
Mary Wong
Glen de Saint Gery
Nathalie Peregrine

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


 Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx

Thank you.
Kind regards,
Nathalie Peregrine
For GNSO Secretariat

Adobe Chat Transcript for Wednesday 08 August 2013:


  Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the meeting of the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team Meeting on Thursday 8 August 2013

  Lars Hoffmann:The group's wiki page is here: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/Translation+and+Transliteration+of+Contact+Information+PDP+Home

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Vinay, you will need to activate your microphone by clicking on the telephone icon at the top of the AC screen

  Rudi Vansnick:how many do we expect ?

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Vinay, if you provide a contact number, we can dial out to you

  VINAY KUMAR SINGH:Hi, Nathalie I think their are some issues at my end but probably I will resolve in few seconds

  Rudi Vansnick:no questions from my side

  Nathalie  Peregrine:please let me know if i can assist, Vinay

  Rudi Vansnick:i propose Chris, seems to be the right person ;-)

  Rudi Vansnick:i'm willing to co-chair if needed

  Rudi Vansnick:is ok for me

  Rudi Vansnick:link to template

  Rudi Vansnick:http://gnso.icann.org/en/basics/101/wg-formation/charter-template-19mar13-en.pdf

  Chris Dillon:Thank you, Rudy.

  Lars Hoffmann:i just dropped from the call.

  Rudi Vansnick:was very clear thanks Julie

  Lars Hoffmann:back on.

  Rudi Vansnick:links to IDN will probably be interesting too

  Rudi Vansnick:looks good so far

  Rudi Vansnick:i think there is no need to use other rules than those of 3.6

  VINAY KUMAR SINGH:I think weekly meeting would be good

  Rudi Vansnick:would be perfect Julie

  VINAY KUMAR SINGH:me too

  Rudi Vansnick:we hear you

  Rudi Vansnick:thanks to all

  VINAY KUMAR SINGH:thank you all

  VINAY KUMAR SINGH:byee

  Chris Dillon:Many thanks, all!

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From rudi.vansnick at isoc.be  Thu Aug  8 20:08:34 2013
From: rudi.vansnick at isoc.be (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 22:08:34 +0200
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Actions: Charter Drafting Team Meeting 08 August 2013
In-Reply-To: <CE296A52.15385%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
References: <CE296A52.15385%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <264E1C7F-022F-47FC-B7EA-2ABCDFEC6E0B@isoc.be>

Many thanks already Julie for your perfect assistance and guidance. I'm going to read through the full report again tomorrow and will try to highlight some aspects for the charter. I'll drop them on this list asap.

Kind regards,

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org


Op 8-aug.-2013, om 21:31 heeft Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org> het volgende geschreven:

> Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,
> 
> Please see below the actions from today's meeting.  These also are posted to the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/08+August+2013.   Our meetings will occur weekly on Thursdays at 1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST). The next meeting is Thursday, 15 August.  A meeting notification with teleconference information will be sent separately.
> 
> Actions:
> 
> 1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would like to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.
> 
> 2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August.
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
> 
> Best regards,
> Julie
> 
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
> 

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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug  8 20:32:48 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:32:48 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Actions: Charter Drafting Team
 Meeting 08 August 2013
In-Reply-To: <264E1C7F-022F-47FC-B7EA-2ABCDFEC6E0B@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <CE297847.15393%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Rudy,

Thank you very much.  That will be extremely helpful.  You may also wish to
look at the background on the issues that was gather from the Final Issue
Report.  This is on the wiki home page at:
https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/Translation+and+Transliteration
+of+Contact+Information+PDP+Home.

Kind regards,
Julie

From:  Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
Date:  Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:08 PM
To:  Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
Cc:  "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject:  Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Actions: Charter Drafting Team
Meeting 08 August 2013

Many thanks already Julie for your perfect assistance and guidance. I'm
going to read through the full report again tomorrow and will try to
highlight some aspects for the charter. I'll drop them on this list asap.

Kind regards,

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>


Op 8-aug.-2013, om 21:31 heeft Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org> het
volgende geschreven:

> Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,
> 
> Please see below the actions from today's meeting.  These also are posted to
> the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/08+August+2013.
> Our meetings will occur weekly on Thursdays at 1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT,
> 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST). The next meeting is Thursday, 15 August.  A meeting
> notification with teleconference information will be sent separately.
> 
> Actions:
> 
> 1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi
> Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would like
> to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.
> 
> 2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB
> Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect
> room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August.
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
> 
> Best regards,
> Julie
> 
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
> 



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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Tue Aug 13 23:03:53 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:03:53 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE296A52.15385%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE301FA7.1555E%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Per our actions below from our first meeting, attached you will find a draft
charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday,
15 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  A
meeting notification with teleconference information has been sent
separately.

Actions:

1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi
Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would
like to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.

2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB
Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect
room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August. (DONE ? attached)

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director



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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Wed Aug 14 09:33:46 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:33:46 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE301FA7.1555E%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
References: <CE296A52.15385%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <CE301FA7.1555E%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F24034F512@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Dear Julie,

It's really great to have this draft so soon and it includes a really good summary of the documents and the procedures now necessary.

I'm not sure whether the following should be in the document, but I am interested in what is driving the need for inclusion of non-ASCII data, probably security considerations. I feel these are relevant, as they may help to motivate whoever ends up providing the additional data required for a new format. For example, there was/is a proposal for a traffic light system in which websites providing certain information could be considered more secure (greener) than those that didn't (redder).

I was interested to see all five models listed on p.4, but am curious about why one of the models was originally relegated to a note on the last page of 'The final issue report: translation and transliteration of contact information', whereas the other four models were fully developed in the report.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 14 August 2013 00:04
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Per our actions below from our first meeting, attached you will find a draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 15 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  A meeting notification with teleconference information has been sent separately.

Actions:

1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would like to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.

2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August. (DONE - attached)

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Wed Aug 14 13:39:34 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:39:34 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Re: FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F24034F512@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CE30FBE1.1558B%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear Chris,

Thank you for your helpful reply.  To your first question, the need for
inclusion of non-ASCII contact data is to enable those people who use
non-ASCII scripts to be able to access those data.  For example, if I use
the Arabic script, I may still wish to be able to contact the domain name
registration owner.  If that contact information is only in ASCII script, it
may not be accessible to me.  If, however, it can appear in a non-ASCII
script, then I will be able to see and use the information.  The issue in
the PDP how should this be accomplished and who should bear the burden.
Also, should one simply transliterate the information, or should one also
translate it?  The IRD-WG didn't address security implications concerning
the provision of non-ASCII data, but the Charter DT could decide whether
that is in the scope of the work for the PDP-WG.  It may be, however, that
the issue of security of internationalized registration data in general will
be covered under another WG.

In particular, there is a WG that is starting up that is tasked with
determining the requirements for internationalized registration data (IRD)
and producing a data model for IRD.  It relates to the task in the Board's
Action Plan relating to its 08 November 2012 resolution that directed staff
to: 1) task a working group to determine the appropriate internationalized
domain name registration data requirements, evaluating any relevant
recommendations from the SSAC or GNSO; 2) produce a data model that includes
(any) requirements for the translation or transliteration of the
registration data, taking into account the results of any PDP initiated by
the GNSO on translation/ transliteration, and the standardized replacement
protocol under development in the IETF?s Webbased Extensible Internet
Registration Data Working Group; 3) evaluate available solutions (including
solutions being implemented by ccTLDs).  Thus, the results of the PDP on
translation and transliteration of contact information will be considered by
this WG.

To your second question, the 5th model was suggested not by the IRD-WG but
in a comment received in the public form on the preliminary report when it
was published.  Thus, it was not part one of the models discussed in the
original report.

I hope that this is helpful.

Best regards,

Julie

From:  <Dillon>, Chris <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>
Date:  Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:33 AM
To:  Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>,
"gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject:  RE: FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter

Dear Julie,
 
It?s really great to have this draft so soon and it includes a really good
summary of the documents and the procedures now necessary.
 
I?m not sure whether the following should be in the document, but I am
interested in what is driving the need for inclusion of non-ASCII data,
probably security considerations. I feel these are relevant, as they may
help to motivate whoever ends up providing the additional data required for
a new format. For example, there was/is a proposal for a traffic light
system in which websites providing certain information could be considered
more secure (greener) than those that didn?t (redder).
 
I was interested to see all five models listed on p.4, but am curious about
why one of the models was originally relegated to a note on the last page of
?The final issue report: translation and transliteration of contact
information?, whereas the other four models were fully developed in the
report.
 
Regards,
 
Chris.

--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies,
UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)
ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
 

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
[mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 14 August 2013 00:04
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High
 

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

 
Per our actions below from our first meeting, attached you will find a draft
charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday,
15 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  A
meeting notification with teleconference information has been sent
separately.

 

Actions:

 

1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi
Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would
like to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.

 

2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB
Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect
room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August. (DONE ? attached)

 

Please let me know if you have any questions.

 

Best regards,

Julie

 

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

 


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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Wed Aug 14 17:43:34 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:43:34 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Re: FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE30FBE1.1558B%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE317F04.E566%c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>

Dear Julie,

Thank you for clearing that up.

It does sound as if the decisions of the other WG could affect this one, if it provides additional motivation for groups to provide non-Roman script data.

Regards,

Chris.
==
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>
Date: Wednesday, 14 August 2013 14:39
To: Chris Dillon <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>>
Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter

Dear Chris,

Thank you for your helpful reply.  To your first question, the need for inclusion of non-ASCII contact data is to enable those people who use non-ASCII scripts to be able to access those data.  For example, if I use the Arabic script, I may still wish to be able to contact the domain name registration owner.  If that contact information is only in ASCII script, it may not be accessible to me.  If, however, it can appear in a non-ASCII script, then I will be able to see and use the information.  The issue in the PDP how should this be accomplished and who should bear the burden.  Also, should one simply transliterate the information, or should one also translate it?  The IRD-WG didn't address security implications concerning the provision of non-ASCII data, but the Charter DT could decide whether that is in the scope of the work for the PDP-WG.  It may be, however, that the issue of security of internationalized registration data in general will be covered under another WG.

In particular, there is a WG that is starting up that is tasked with determining the requirements for internationalized registration data (IRD) and producing a data model for IRD.  It relates to the task in the Board's Action Plan relating to its 08 November 2012 resolution that directed staff to: 1) task a working group to determine the appropriate internationalized domain name registration data requirements, evaluating any relevant recommendations from the SSAC or GNSO; 2) produce a data model that includes (any) requirements for the translation or transliteration of the registration data, taking into account the results of any PDP initiated by the GNSO on translation/ transliteration, and the standardized replacement protocol under development in the IETF?s Webbased Extensible Internet Registration Data Working Group; 3) evaluate available solutions (including solutions being implemented by ccTLDs).  Thus, the results of the PDP on translation and transliteration of contact information will be considered by this WG.

To your second question, the 5th model was suggested not by the IRD-WG but in a comment received in the public form on the preliminary report when it was published.  Thus, it was not part one of the models discussed in the original report.

I hope that this is helpful.

Best regards,

Julie

From: <Dillon>, Chris <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>>
Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:33 AM
To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>, "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: RE: FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter

Dear Julie,

It?s really great to have this draft so soon and it includes a really good summary of the documents and the procedures now necessary.

I?m not sure whether the following should be in the document, but I am interested in what is driving the need for inclusion of non-ASCII data, probably security considerations. I feel these are relevant, as they may help to motivate whoever ends up providing the additional data required for a new format. For example, there was/is a proposal for a traffic light system in which websites providing certain information could be considered more secure (greener) than those that didn?t (redder).

I was interested to see all five models listed on p.4, but am curious about why one of the models was originally relegated to a note on the last page of ?The final issue report: translation and transliteration of contact information?, whereas the other four models were fully developed in the report.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 14 August 2013 00:04
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Per our actions below from our first meeting, attached you will find a draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 15 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  A meeting notification with teleconference information has been sent separately.

Actions:

1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would like to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.

2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August. (DONE ? attached)

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

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From rudi.vansnick at isoc.be  Thu Aug 15 10:22:59 2013
From: rudi.vansnick at isoc.be (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:22:59 +0200
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F24034F512@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CE296A52.15385%julie.hedlund@icann.org> <CE301FA7.1555E%julie.hedlund@icann.org> <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F24034F512@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <F80648E2-0033-4E5A-846E-F3BD8BE7E76F@isoc.be>

Dear Julie,

Many thanks for the work you already did for this charter, it helps us a lot forward. Unfortunately the week was too short to be able to follow up on the document yet. However, the basis for the call today is here and I hope we will have some more participants, although it is bank holiday today and the start of a long weekend. 

Chris,

With regards your comment
> I?m not sure whether the following should be in the document, but I am interested in what is driving the need for inclusion of non-ASCII data, probably security considerations. I feel these are relevant, as they may help to motivate whoever ends up providing the additional data required for a new format. For example, there was/is a proposal for a traffic light system in which websites providing certain information could be considered more secure (greener) than those that didn?t (redder).


I'm afraid we can not argument on what will be presented on a website or in an email as that's far away from the task and duty of ICANN. Content related material should not be considered here. We are only looking into the WHOIS data information, which of course for security reasons should be as correct as possible. When using translated contact details it is possible the address would be unrecognizable for legal perspective and as such disturb the legal processes. For instance, in Belgium, if an address is not correct all legal actions are stopped. And that's most probably in many countries the case. This relates also to the possible models adoptable in this context. And I'm just wondering if we should integrate in the charter some legal advise with regards the use of translated information in contact data ?

Rudi Vansnick
Chair NPOC Policy Committee - ICANN  - www.npoc.org

Mobile +32/(0)475/28.16.32 - Tel +32/(0)9/329.39.16
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be



Op 14-aug.-2013, om 11:33 heeft "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk> het volgende geschreven:

> Dear Julie,
>  
> It?s really great to have this draft so soon and it includes a really good summary of the documents and the procedures now necessary.
>  
> I?m not sure whether the following should be in the document, but I am interested in what is driving the need for inclusion of non-ASCII data, probably security considerations. I feel these are relevant, as they may help to motivate whoever ends up providing the additional data required for a new format. For example, there was/is a proposal for a traffic light system in which websites providing certain information could be considered more secure (greener) than those that didn?t (redder).
>  
> I was interested to see all five models listed on p.4, but am curious about why one of the models was originally relegated to a note on the last page of ?The final issue report: translation and transliteration of contact information?, whereas the other four models were fully developed in the report.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Chris.
> --
> Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
>  
> From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
> Sent: 14 August 2013 00:04
> To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
> Importance: High
>  
> Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,
>  
> Per our actions below from our first meeting, attached you will find a draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 15 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  A meeting notification with teleconference information has been sent separately.
>  
> Actions:
>  
> 1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would like to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.
>  
> 2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August. (DONE ? attached)
>  
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>  
> Best regards,
> Julie
>  
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>  

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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Aug 15 11:54:26 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:54:26 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <F80648E2-0033-4E5A-846E-F3BD8BE7E76F@isoc.be>
References: <CE296A52.15385%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <CE301FA7.1555E%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F24034F512@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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Dear Rudy,

I was really just looking for reasons why groups (and there could still be others) may be motivated to provide certain sorts of contact information.

As regards legal advice on translated information, I think we can only think about that once we've decided what (if anything) is to be translated.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: Rudi Vansnick [mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be]
Sent: 15 August 2013 11:23
To: Dillon, Chris
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter

Dear Julie,

Many thanks for the work you already did for this charter, it helps us a lot forward. Unfortunately the week was too short to be able to follow up on the document yet. However, the basis for the call today is here and I hope we will have some more participants, although it is bank holiday today and the start of a long weekend.

Chris,

With regards your comment
I'm not sure whether the following should be in the document, but I am interested in what is driving the need for inclusion of non-ASCII data, probably security considerations. I feel these are relevant, as they may help to motivate whoever ends up providing the additional data required for a new format. For example, there was/is a proposal for a traffic light system in which websites providing certain information could be considered more secure (greener) than those that didn't (redder).

I'm afraid we can not argument on what will be presented on a website or in an email as that's far away from the task and duty of ICANN. Content related material should not be considered here. We are only looking into the WHOIS data information, which of course for security reasons should be as correct as possible. When using translated contact details it is possible the address would be unrecognizable for legal perspective and as such disturb the legal processes. For instance, in Belgium, if an address is not correct all legal actions are stopped. And that's most probably in many countries the case. This relates also to the possible models adoptable in this context. And I'm just wondering if we should integrate in the charter some legal advise with regards the use of translated information in contact data ?

Rudi Vansnick
Chair NPOC Policy Committee - ICANN  - www.npoc.org<http://www.npoc.org/>

Mobile +32/(0)475/28.16.32 - Tel +32/(0)9/329.39.16
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be<mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>



Op 14-aug.-2013, om 11:33 heeft "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>> het volgende geschreven:


Dear Julie,

It's really great to have this draft so soon and it includes a really good summary of the documents and the procedures now necessary.

I'm not sure whether the following should be in the document, but I am interested in what is driving the need for inclusion of non-ASCII data, probably security considerations. I feel these are relevant, as they may help to motivate whoever ends up providing the additional data required for a new format. For example, there was/is a proposal for a traffic light system in which websites providing certain information could be considered more secure (greener) than those that didn't (redder).

I was interested to see all five models listed on p.4, but am curious about why one of the models was originally relegated to a note on the last page of 'The final issue report: translation and transliteration of contact information', whereas the other four models were fully developed in the report.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 14 August 2013 00:04
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Per our actions below from our first meeting, attached you will find a draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 15 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  A meeting notification with teleconference information has been sent separately.

Actions:

1.  Selecting Chair/Co-Chairs:  During today's meeting Chris Dillon and Rudi Vansnick volunteered to be co-chairs.  Please let us know if others would like to volunteer and/or support Chris and Rudi.

2.  Draft Charter: Staff will provide a draft charter for review by COB Tuesday, 13 August.  It will be posted in the wiki and in the Adobe Connect room for discussion at the meeting on 15 August. (DONE - attached)

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director


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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Aug 15 12:10:11 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:10:11 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Agenda for this afternoon's meeting
Message-ID: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F24034FA3B@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Dear colleagues,

Please find below an agenda for this afternoon's meeting:

1.    Roll call
2.    Who else do we need to encourage to be part of the working group?
3.    Discussion of draft of 'Translation and transliteration of Contact information PDP Working Group charter'
4.    AOB
5.    DONM

With apologies for late circulation.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug 15 13:19:19 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Agenda for this afternoon's meeting
In-Reply-To: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F24034FA3B@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CE324CDC.15674%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear Chris,

Thank you very much for providing the agenda.  I would like to suggest a
small change in the first item from "Roll call" to "Roll call/statements of
interest" because our meeting protocols for WGs require that the
Chairs/Co-Chairs ask at the beginning of the meeting whether anyone has a
change to his or her statement of interest.

I have posted the agenda in the Adobe Connect room and also on the wiki at:
https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/15+August+2013.  I look forward
to speaking with you soon.

With best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

From:  <Dillon>, Chris <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>
Date:  Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:10 AM
To:  "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject:  [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Agenda for this afternoon's meeting

Dear colleagues,
 
Please find below an agenda for this afternoon?s meeting:
 
1.    Roll call
2.    Who else do we need to encourage to be part of the working group?
3.    Discussion of draft of ?Translation and transliteration of Contact
information PDP Working Group charter?
4.    AOB
5.    DONM
 
With apologies for late circulation.
 
Regards,
 
Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies,
UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)
ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
 


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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Aug 15 13:25:09 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:25:09 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Agenda for this afternoon's meeting
In-Reply-To: <CE324CDC.15674%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
References: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F24034FA3B@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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Dear Julie,

I have no problem at all with that being included from now on.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: Julie Hedlund [mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org]
Sent: 15 August 2013 14:19
To: Dillon, Chris
Cc: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Agenda for this afternoon's meeting

Dear Chris,

Thank you very much for providing the agenda.  I would like to suggest a small change in the first item from "Roll call" to "Roll call/statements of interest" because our meeting protocols for WGs require that the Chairs/Co-Chairs ask at the beginning of the meeting whether anyone has a change to his or her statement of interest.

I have posted the agenda in the Adobe Connect room and also on the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/15+August+2013.  I look forward to speaking with you soon.

With best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

From: <Dillon>, Chris <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>>
Date: Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:10 AM
To: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Agenda for this afternoon's meeting

Dear colleagues,

Please find below an agenda for this afternoon's meeting:

1.    Roll call
2.    Who else do we need to encourage to be part of the working group?
3.    Discussion of draft of 'Translation and transliteration of Contact information PDP Working Group charter'
4.    AOB
5.    DONM

With apologies for late circulation.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug 15 19:05:26 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:05:26 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Actions: Charter Drafting Team Meeting 15 August 2013
In-Reply-To: <CE296A52.15385%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE329CD3.156C7%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Please see below the actions from today's meeting.  These also are posted to
the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/08+August+2013.
Our meetings will occur weekly on Thursdays at 1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00
EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST). The next meeting is Thursday, 22 August.  A
meeting notification with teleconference information will be sent
separately.

Actions:  Clarify the Mission and Scope with additional explanation
concerning the issues (Staff).

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director



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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug 15 19:15:39 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:15:39 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE301FA7.1555E%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Per our actions from our meeting today, attached you will find a revised
draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on
Thursday, 22 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00
CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki
at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/22+August+2013.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director



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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug 15 19:25:13 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:25:13 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Expert Working Group to Determine IDN Registration Data Requirements
In-Reply-To: <CE324CDC.15674%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE32A13E.156D2%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear Charter Drafting Team members,

In response to questions during today's call about the scope of the PDP
Working Group on Translation/Transliteration of Contact Information versus
the issue of internationalization of domain name registration data in
general, please see below more information about the expert working group
ICANN is establishing to address the broader issue. The announcement is
posted here: 
http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-08jul13-en.htm and
the Call for Volunteers may be found here:
http://www.icann.org/en/about/aoc-review/whois/call-for-experts-ird-08jul13-
en.pdf.  

Note in particular that the Call for Volunteers document distinguishes the
work of the expert working group to determine appropriate Internationalized
Domain Name registration data requirements and data model for Registration
Data Directory Services from the work of the PDP Working Group on
Translation/Transliteration of Contact Information as follows:

> 3. Relationship with GNSO PDP on Translation and Transliteration of Contact
> Information 
> 
> 
> 
> At its meeting on 13 June 2013, the GNSO Council initiated a Policy
> Development Process (PDP) on the translation and transliteration of contact
> information. The WG is expected to address the following issues:
> * Whether it is desirable to translate contact information to a single common
> language or transliterate contact information to a single common script.
> * Who should decide who should bear the burden translating contact information
> to a single common language or transliterating contact information to a single
> common script. 
> The expert working group will not address these issues raised in the GNSO PDP,
> and will create placeholders in the final product pending the completion of
> the PDP.



Thus, the expert working group will

* Determine the requirements for internationalized registration data
* Produce a data model for the IRD that matches the requirement
The recommendations of the PDP WG on Translation/Transliteration of Contact
Information, if they are approved by the GNSO Council, will be incorporated
into the data model.

I hope that this information is helpful, but please don't hesitate to
contact me if you have further questions.

Best regards,

Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director


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From julia.charvolen at icann.org  Fri Aug 16 08:16:43 2013
From: julia.charvolen at icann.org (Julia Charvolen)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:16:43 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP
 Charter Drafting Team meeting - 15 August 2013
Message-ID: <CE32C770.2C0A6%julia.charvolen@icann.org>

Dear All,

The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team teleconference will be held on Thursday 22 August 2013 at 1500 UTC. These calls will now take place on a weekly basis.

Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team  call held on Thursday 15 August 2013 at 15:00 UTC at:

http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20130815-en.mp3


On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>aug

Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO master calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

Attendees:
Chris Dillon ? NCSG
Amr Elsadr ? NCUC
Yoav Keren - RrSG
Rudi Vansnick - NPOC
Vinay Kumar Singh - individual

Apologies: none

ICANN staff:
Julie Hedlund
Mary Wong
Julia Charvolen

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


Thank you.
Kind regards,
Julia Charvolen
For GNSO Secretariat

Adobe Chat Transcript for Wednesday 15 August 2013:
Yoav Keren:Is there a call in number?
  Yoav Keren:thanks :)
  Julie Hedlund:Yes, Julia will forward them to you.
  Julia Charvolen:Sure, I will forward you the Verizon dial in details
  Julia Charvolen:Yoav, you should receive the email shortly
  Rudi Vansnick:hi everybody
  Julie Hedlund:Hello Rudi
  Rudi Vansnick:bankholiday here ...
  Julie Hedlund:Sorry about that!
  VINAY KUMAR SINGH:Hi Julie, Rudi and Chris
  Amr Elsadr:Hi everyone..., still dialing in.
  Amr Elsadr:Just joined the call.
  Rudi Vansnick:you are most welcome here Amr
  Amr Elsadr:thnx Rudi.
  Rudi Vansnick:most appreciated Yoav joining us
  Julie Hedlund:In the drafting team we do have two other members: Ching Chao and Edmon Chung.  See:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/4.+Membership+and+Mailing+List+Archive
  Julie Hedlund:Note that our current membership is only the Charter Drafting Team.  We will be seeking a larger membership for the Working Group.
  Julie Hedlund:We will be putting out a Call for Participation specifically for the PDP Working Group once the Charter is approved.
  Mary Wong:FYI, following from the GNSO Working Sessions in Durban, we will be facilitating further discussion in the Council as to ways to improve participation and efficencies within PDP WGs.
  Rudi Vansnick:vacation period has certainly influenced this draft team participation
  Mary Wong:We are preparing a staff paper that summarizes these discussions in Durban for distribution shortly.
  VINAY KUMAR SINGH:Chris, I think we need to seek legal assistance because translation and transliteration may change the Contact Info when used in different script.
  Mary Wong:Follow up to Julie's point: other WGs have referred questions for information and research to ICANN Legal before, e.g. in the IGO-INGO WG, they asked for information as to international and national laws that protected these organizations.
  Rudi Vansnick:thanks Mary
  Amr Elsadr:+1 @Yoav..., the language looks like it needs to be revised.
  Julie Hedlund:There is another WG that will be developing a data model for IRD
  Julie Hedlund:The work of this WG will fold into that
  Julie Hedlund:This WG is limited to the issues at hand -- it cannot expand its scope.  It is tasked with just the two issues.  The group developing the data model for IRD will look at how IRD will be handled in a registration data service (such as WHOIS)
  Rudi Vansnick:@Julie: indeed, it will be a difficult task as it is part of a large concern and topic
  Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone and for those of you who joined on a bank holiday!
  Mary Wong:Yes, thank you all!
  Amr Elsadr:Thnx. Bye.
  Julia Charvolen:Thank you everyone
  Chris Dillon:Goodbye all!

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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Wed Aug 21 19:04:52 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:04:52 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE3A875D.15990%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

This is a reminder that per our actions from our meeting that week, attached
you will find a revised draft charter for your review and for discussion at
our next meeting on Thursday, 22 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT,
16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This
also is posted on wiki at:
https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/22+August+2013.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director



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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Aug 22 07:12:17 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:12:17 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE3A875D.15990%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
References: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <CE3A875D.15990%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F2403529AA@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Dear colleagues,

Julie's drafting is difficult to improve.
However, I wonder if it would be good to have a line explicitly indicating that the PDP WG will be free to modify the five alternatives in Section II, effectively creating a sixth one which is recommended/preferred.

Beyond that my mind is starting to think about translation/transliteration principles for the representation of contact details (rather than notes for so many languages), but that is probably best left to the PDP WG. An example of a principle might be the answer to the question "What happens if there is more than one Romanization (transliteration) for a language in common use?".

Looking forward to speaking later,

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 21 August 2013 20:05
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

This is a reminder that per our actions from our meeting that week, attached you will find a revised draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 22 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/22+August+2013.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

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From rudi.vansnick at isoc.be  Thu Aug 22 08:36:18 2013
From: rudi.vansnick at isoc.be (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:36:18 +0200
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F2403529AA@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org> <CE3A875D.15990%julie.hedlund@icann.org> <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F2403529AA@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <D45EF016-624B-406F-BD4C-00FC99F7339F@isoc.be>

Dear Chris,

As you said the document drafted by Julie is great and is not easy to improve. All is covered as far as I understand the principles of the duty of the draft team. It is up to the WG to elaborate responses to the given questions and issues. I would let the WG decide if they want to extend the 5 present models. It would require some investigation for us to define a sixth model, that perhaps was already discussed previously and was not withhold.

Interesting sample question ... a lot to discuss but isn't that the duty of the WG ? We are only the charter drafting team ... 

Till later today.

Rudi Vansnick
Chair NPOC Policy Committee - ICANN  - www.npoc.org

Mobile +32/(0)475/28.16.32 - Tel +32/(0)9/329.39.16
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be


Op 22-aug.-2013, om 09:12 heeft "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk> het volgende geschreven:

> Dear colleagues,
>  
> Julie?s drafting is difficult to improve.
> However, I wonder if it would be good to have a line explicitly indicating that the PDP WG will be free to modify the five alternatives in Section II, effectively creating a sixth one which is recommended/preferred.
>  
> Beyond that my mind is starting to think about translation/transliteration principles for the representation of contact details (rather than notes for so many languages), but that is probably best left to the PDP WG. An example of a principle might be the answer to the question ?What happens if there is more than one Romanization (transliteration) for a language in common use??.
>  
> Looking forward to speaking later,
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Chris.
> --
> Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
>  
> From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
> Sent: 21 August 2013 20:05
> To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
> Importance: High
>  
> Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,
>  
> This is a reminder that per our actions from our meeting that week, attached you will find a revised draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 22 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/22+August+2013. 
>  
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>  
> Best regards,
> Julie
>  
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>  

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From vinaysingh85 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 22 12:00:34 2013
From: vinaysingh85 at hotmail.com (vinay kumar singh)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:30:34 +0530
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised
 Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <D45EF016-624B-406F-BD4C-00FC99F7339F@isoc.be>
References: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <CE3A875D.15990%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F2403529AA@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>,<D45EF016-624B-406F-BD4C-00FC99F7339F@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <COL129-W866294E0A8FCFA634F00E5D04D0@phx.gbl>

Dear Chris,

Greetings of the day!!!

As discussed in the previous meeting regarding the "Legal Issues"- raised by Rudi, the conclusion we arrived was, we may get legal advice from lCANN legal team. But I think we need to discuss in elaborate the mechanism that could be worked on to address the legal issues by PDP team. 

For further details regarding the legal implications that would arise during the Translation and Transliteration process :
Refer paragraph 4 on page number 16 of the document:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/ird/final-report-ird-wg-07may12-en.pdf

Regards,
Vinay Kumar Singh
Student: LL.B. with Honors in Intellectual Property

Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur

India

Mobile: +91 8509 227 666
Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
From: rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:36:18 +0200
CC: julie.hedlund at icann.org; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
To: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk

Dear Chris,
As you said the document drafted by Julie is great and is not easy to improve. All is covered as far as I understand the principles of the duty of the draft team. It is up to the WG to elaborate responses to the given questions and issues. I would let the WG decide if they want to extend the 5 present models. It would require some investigation for us to define a sixth model, that perhaps was already discussed previously and was not withhold.
Interesting sample question ... a lot to discuss but isn't that the duty of the WG ? We are only the charter drafting team ... 
Till later today.

Rudi Vansnick
Chair NPOC Policy Committee - ICANN  - www.npoc.org
Mobile +32/(0)475/28.16.32 - Tel +32/(0)9/329.39.16
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be




Op 22-aug.-2013, om 09:12 heeft "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk> het volgende geschreven:Dear colleagues, Julie?s drafting is difficult to improve.However, I wonder if it would be good to have a line explicitly indicating that the PDP WG will be free to modify the five alternatives in Section II, effectively creating a sixth one which is recommended/preferred. Beyond that my mind is starting to think about translation/transliteration principles for the representation of contact details (rather than notes for so many languages), but that is probably best left to the PDP WG. An example of a principle might be the answer to the question ?What happens if there is more than one Romanization (transliteration) for a language in common use??. Looking forward to speaking later, Regards, Chris.--Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 21 August 2013 20:05
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team, This is a reminder that per our actions from our meeting that week, attached you will find a revised draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 22 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/22+August+2013.  Please let me know if you have any questions. Best regards,Julie Julie Hedlund, Policy Director 
 		 	   		  
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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Aug 22 12:57:48 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:57:48 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised
 Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <D45EF016-624B-406F-BD4C-00FC99F7339F@isoc.be>
References: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <CE3A875D.15990%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F2403529AA@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
 <D45EF016-624B-406F-BD4C-00FC99F7339F@isoc.be>
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Dear Rudy,

I agree we should let the WG decide if they want to run with one of the models, or another one. I'm just wondering whether we should add a sentence to make it clear that they are not tied to the five models.

I also agree that questions like my sample one is their work.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Rudi Vansnick
Sent: 22 August 2013 09:36
To: Dillon, Chris
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter

Dear Chris,

As you said the document drafted by Julie is great and is not easy to improve. All is covered as far as I understand the principles of the duty of the draft team. It is up to the WG to elaborate responses to the given questions and issues. I would let the WG decide if they want to extend the 5 present models. It would require some investigation for us to define a sixth model, that perhaps was already discussed previously and was not withhold.

Interesting sample question ... a lot to discuss but isn't that the duty of the WG ? We are only the charter drafting team ...

Till later today.

Rudi Vansnick
Chair NPOC Policy Committee - ICANN  - www.npoc.org<http://www.npoc.org/>

Mobile +32/(0)475/28.16.32 - Tel +32/(0)9/329.39.16
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be<mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>


Op 22-aug.-2013, om 09:12 heeft "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>> het volgende geschreven:


Dear colleagues,

Julie's drafting is difficult to improve.
However, I wonder if it would be good to have a line explicitly indicating that the PDP WG will be free to modify the five alternatives in Section II, effectively creating a sixth one which is recommended/preferred.

Beyond that my mind is starting to think about translation/transliteration principles for the representation of contact details (rather than notes for so many languages), but that is probably best left to the PDP WG. An example of a principle might be the answer to the question "What happens if there is more than one Romanization (transliteration) for a language in common use?".

Looking forward to speaking later,

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 21 August 2013 20:05
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

This is a reminder that per our actions from our meeting that week, attached you will find a revised draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 22 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/22+August+2013.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director


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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Aug 22 13:01:48 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:01:48 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised
 Draft PDP WG Charter
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References: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
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Dear Vinay,

I think the PDP WG should consult the ICANN legal team over issues such as what constitutes a legal address - is that the example you meant? (It's on p.13.) I also think they need to decide how that is going to work. I'm slightly reluctant to tread on their toes.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of vinay kumar singh
Sent: 22 August 2013 13:01
To: Dillon, Chris; Julie Hedlund
Cc: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org; Rudi Vansnick
Subject: RE: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter

Dear Chris,

Greetings of the day!!!

As discussed in the previous meeting regarding the "Legal Issues"- raised by Rudi, the conclusion we arrived was, we may get legal advice from lCANN legal team. But I think we need to discuss in elaborate the mechanism that could be worked on to address the legal issues by PDP team.

For further details regarding the legal implications that would arise during the Translation and Transliteration process :
Refer paragraph 4 on page number 16 of the document:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/ird/final-report-ird-wg-07may12-en.pdf

Regards,
Vinay Kumar Singh
Student: LL.B. with Honors in Intellectual Property
Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur
India
Mobile: +91 8509 227 666
________________________________
Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
From: rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:36:18 +0200
CC: julie.hedlund at icann.org; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
To: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk

Dear Chris,

As you said the document drafted by Julie is great and is not easy to improve. All is covered as far as I understand the principles of the duty of the draft team. It is up to the WG to elaborate responses to the given questions and issues. I would let the WG decide if they want to extend the 5 present models. It would require some investigation for us to define a sixth model, that perhaps was already discussed previously and was not withhold.

Interesting sample question ... a lot to discuss but isn't that the duty of the WG ? We are only the charter drafting team ...

Till later today.

Rudi Vansnick
Chair NPOC Policy Committee - ICANN  - www.npoc.org<http://www.npoc.org/>

Mobile +32/(0)475/28.16.32 - Tel +32/(0)9/329.39.16
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be<mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>


Op 22-aug.-2013, om 09:12 heeft "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk>> het volgende geschreven:

Dear colleagues,

Julie's drafting is difficult to improve.
However, I wonder if it would be good to have a line explicitly indicating that the PDP WG will be free to modify the five alternatives in Section II, effectively creating a sixth one which is recommended/preferred.

Beyond that my mind is starting to think about translation/transliteration principles for the representation of contact details (rather than notes for so many languages), but that is probably best left to the PDP WG. An example of a principle might be the answer to the question "What happens if there is more than one Romanization (transliteration) for a language in common use?".

Looking forward to speaking later,

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 21 August 2013 20:05
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

This is a reminder that per our actions from our meeting that week, attached you will find a revised draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 22 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/22+August+2013.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director


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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug 22 19:08:52 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:08:52 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Actions: Charter Drafting Team Meeting 22 August 2013
In-Reply-To: <CE329CD3.156C7%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE3BD98A.15ADF%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Please see below the actions from today's meeting.  These also are posted to
the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/08+August+2013.
The next meeting is Thursday, 29 August at 1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT,
16:00 London, 17:00 CEST.  A meeting notification with teleconference
information will be sent separately and in this we will ask members to RSVP.
If many people cannot attend at the usual meeting time we may try to select
a different time.

Actions:  Review the latest version of the charter (sent in a separate
message) and comment on the list.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director



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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug 22 19:09:54 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:09:54 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE3BDA08.15AE1%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Per our actions from our meeting today, attached you will find a revised
draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on
Thursday, 29 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00
CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki
at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/29+August+2013.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director



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From nathalie.peregrine at icann.org  Thu Aug 22 20:28:42 2013
From: nathalie.peregrine at icann.org (Nathalie Peregrine)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:28:42 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Attendance and Recording  Translation and Transliteration of
 Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team meeting - 22 August 2013
Message-ID: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215ABA6578A59B@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>


Dear All,

The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team teleconference will be held on Thursday 29th August 2013 at 1500 UTC. These calls will now take place on a weekly basis.

PLEASE RSVP TO GNSO-SECS at ICANN.ORG<mailto:GNSO-SECS at ICANN.ORG> FOR NEXT WEEK'S CALL.

Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team  call held on Thursday 22 August 2013 at 15:00 UTC at:


http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20130822-en.mp3

On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>aug


The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

Attendees:
Chris Dillon - NCSG
Rudi Vansnick - NPOC
Vinay Kumar Singh - individual
Amr Elsadr - NCUC

Apologies: none

ICANN staff:
Julie Hedlund
Lars Hoffman
Glen de Saint Gery
Nathalie Peregrine

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


 Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx

Thank you.
Kind regards,
Nathalie Peregrine
For GNSO Secretariat

Adobe Chat Transcript for Wednesday 22 August 2013:

Glen de Saint Gery:Welcome to the Translation and transliteration of Contact Information PDP working Group

  Julie Hedlund:Welcome Chris and Vinay

  Vinay Kumar Singh:Hi Julie

  Chris Dillon:Hi Julie and Vinay

  Vinay Kumar Singh:Hi Chris

  Rudi Vansnick:is ok

  Julie Hedlund:Ching Chiao          RySG     Ching Chiao SOIEdmon Chung    RySG     Edmon Chung SOIChris Dillon     NCSG                Chris Dillon SOIAmr Elsadr            NCUC    Amr Elsadr SOIYoav Keren           RrSG      Yoav Keren SOIVinay Kumar Singh                Individual            Vinay Kumar Singh SOIRudi Vansnick

  Vinay Kumar Singh:No

  Julie Hedlund:How about adding this text? "The PDP-WG will not be limited to considering the above alternatives, but will be encouraged to consider all possible alternatives."

  Chris Dillon:Very nice

  Julie Hedlund:To following immediately below the bullets.

  Chris Dillon:Yes

  Rudi Vansnick:that's why it is important we could receive input before finalizing the charter from people having experience with IDN's such as Edmon Chung

  Julie Hedlund:Thank you Rudi.  They are on the DT.  We can ask them specifically to comment too.

  Julie Hedlund:By "they" I mean both Edmon Chung and Ching Chao.

  Rudi Vansnick:indeed Julie

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call

  Rudi Vansnick:welcome Amr

  Amr Elsadr:The toll free number to dial in in the U.S. is not working. Can I get a confirmation on the number please?

  Amr Elsadr:Hi Rudi. Still haven't dialled in.

  Rudi Vansnick:thanks a lot for the clarification Julie

  Vinay Kumar Singh:Julie, thats sound good

  Vinay Kumar Singh:Julie, thats sound good

  Julie Hedlund:Here is some suggested text to add after the first sentence: "The PDP-WG also may consult with ICANN Legal staff when considering alternatives."

  Amr Elsadr:Can I speak using Adobe connect by connecting Audio?

  Chris Dillon:I think so.

  Amr Elsadr:Thnx Chris.

  Rudi Vansnick:good point Amr

  Julie Hedlund:How about this? "In addition, the PDP-WG should review the work of other PDPs relating to IDNs and WHOIS."

  Amr Elsadr:Sounds good, Julie.

  Julie Hedlund:I think that rather than listing specific PDPs we could just leave it open.

  Julie Hedlund:Okay

  Julie Hedlund:I can pull these from the wiki as a start

  Julie Hedlund:They all are on the GNSO wiki both past and present

  Rudi Vansnick:thanks Julie, good idea, you're great ;-)

  Amr Elsadr:;)

  Vinay Kumar Singh:I think its good now

  Vinay Kumar Singh:Probably I will go once again through the document and list down the legal issues that would may arise during the policy development

  Chris Dillon:Thank you

  Julie Hedlund:Chris and Rudi, I think that what you have said is right.  The WG cannot decide who will bear the burden, but can suggest who should take that decision.

  Julie Hedlund:They could suggest that the registrar should bear the burden, but since this is a policy issue it could say that the Board could make that decision.

  Julie Hedlund:Yes, there are legal considerations as Rudi points out.

  Vinay Kumar Singh:I agree with Rudi, because their will be legal implications in those scenarios

  Rudi Vansnick:perhaps the easiest solution exists in asking the registrant to do the translation themself

  Amr Elsadr:I think I'm beginning to understand the complexity of the issue. If you all don't mind, I'll try to look into this a bit further, and perhaps continue the discussion on the mailing list if I come up with something.

  Chris Dillon:Many thanks!

  Rudi Vansnick:sure i was just thinking loud

  Rudi Vansnick:so we have a tasklist for the next days

  Vinay Kumar Singh:Just to add, I am a Law Student :-)

  Amr Elsadr::D

  Rudi Vansnick:i'll take on mine to try to convince Edmon and Ching to help us with their experiences

  Rudi Vansnick:can we still add others ?

  Julie Hedlund:Yes, of course!

  Julie Hedlund:If you have others you want to encourage that would be great.

  Julie Hedlund:This DT is not limited.

  Rudi Vansnick:ok

  Amr Elsadr:Thanks everyone.

  Julie Hedlund:Thank you all!

  Chris Dillon:Goodbye all

  Vinay Kumar Singh:Thanks

  Julie Hedlund:Goodbye


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From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk  Fri Aug 23 07:41:05 2013
From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:41:05 +0000
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] RE: FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE3BDA08.15AE1%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
References: <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
 <CE3BDA08.15AE1%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <D5F77D49C38640488627832893C604F240353F64@AMSPRD0111MB516.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Dear Julie,

Many thanks for the new version, especially that useful list of relevant PDPs and WGs.

Regards,

Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Dept of Information Studies, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: 22 August 2013 20:10
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter
Importance: High

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,

Per our actions from our meeting today, attached you will find a revised draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 29 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/29+August+2013.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Julie

Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

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From julie.hedlund at icann.org  Thu Aug 29 12:52:47 2013
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org (Julie Hedlund)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 05:52:47 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] CANCELLED: Today's PDP Charter DT Call @1500 UTC
In-Reply-To: <CE3BDA08.15AE1%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CE44BB24.15EAC%julie.hedlund@icann.org>

Dear Charter Drafting Team members,

We are canceling today's call that was scheduled for 1500 UTC.  We apologize
for the late notice, but after our requests for RSVPs for today's call, with
a reminder yesterday, we have received no RSVPs.  We will send a doodle to
help us to pick a better time for a call.  In the meantime, I will send a
reminder for DT members to comment on the latest draft of the charter.

Best regards,

Julie

Julie Hedlund, Director, SSAC Support


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From aelsadr at egyptig.org  Thu Aug 29 12:58:37 2013
From: aelsadr at egyptig.org (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:58:37 +0200
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] CANCELLED: Today's PDP Charter DT Call @1500 UTC
In-Reply-To: <CE44BB24.15EAC%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
References: <CE44BB24.15EAC%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <F5C5FDFE-A7BF-475E-8D13-084A613FF175@egyptig.org>


Thanks Julie. I should have apologized sooner about not being able to attend today's call. 

Amr

Sent from mobile

On Aug 29, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org> wrote:

> Dear Charter Drafting Team members,
> 
> We are canceling today's call that was scheduled for 1500 UTC.  We apologize for the late notice, but after our requests for RSVPs for today's call, with a reminder yesterday, we have received no RSVPs.  We will send a doodle to help us to pick a better time for a call.  In the meantime, I will send a reminder for DT members to comment on the latest draft of the charter.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Julie
> 
> Julie Hedlund, Director, SSAC Support



From vinaysingh85 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 29 13:02:35 2013
From: vinaysingh85 at hotmail.com (vinay kumar singh)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:32:35 +0530
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG
 Charter
In-Reply-To: <CE3BDA08.15AE1%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
References:  <CE32A08C.156CE%julie.hedlund@icann.org>,<CE3BDA08.15AE1%julie.hedlund@icann.org>
Message-ID: <COL129-W25C3F1287F334AAFE93D06D0340@phx.gbl>

Dear Julie & Colleagues,

Greetings of the day!!!

As discussed in the previous meeting I have listed the Legal Issues that may arise during the Translation and Transliteration process of Contact and Postal Information.

1- The contact information consist of three details namely:
    a. Owner Contact and Postal Information
    b. Admin Contact and Postal Information
    c. Technical Contact and Postal Information

Legal Issue: Which one of these Contact and Postal Information will be considered as "Legal Contact and Postal Information".

2- While Translation and Transliteration process of Contact and Postal Information is being performed their might arise a situation where such process may result into inadequate information.

Example Transliteration: ?street? in Chinese is ???(U+8857 ) or ??? (U+8DEF). It would be transliterated into ?jie? or ?lu.?

Legal Issue: The inadequate information may raise legal implications, when referring to dispute related to a particular domain as the name and contact details may have changed during the Translation and Transliteration process.


Probable Solution:

The Contact and Postal Information which constitutes a "Legal Contact and Postal Information" would be allowed to be present in a "must be present" format on which no Translation and Transliteration process can be performed, while the other contact and postal information may be translated/transliterated as they would be only for informational purpose and no legal implication would arise.


Regards,
Vinay Kumar Singh
Student: LL.B. with Honors in Intellectual Property

Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur

India

Mobile: +91 8509 227 666
From: julie.hedlund at icann.org
To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:09:54 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] FOR REVIEW: Revised Draft PDP WG Charter

Dear members of the Charter Drafting Team,
Per our actions from our meeting today, attached you will find a revised draft charter for your review and for discussion at our next meeting on Thursday, 29 August  1500 UTC (08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST).  The changes are reflected as redlines.  This also is posted on wiki at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/29+August+2013. 
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Best regards,Julie
Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
 		 	   		  
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From nathalie.peregrine at icann.org  Thu Aug 29 14:11:33 2013
From: nathalie.peregrine at icann.org (Nathalie Peregrine)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:11:33 -0700
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] PLEASE FILL IN DOODLE: Translation and Transliteration of Contact
 Information PDP Charter Drafting Team
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Dear all,

Further to Julie's email and in order to facilitate as new group meeting time NEXT WEEK, please confirm your availability via the attached Doodle poll.

http://doodle.com/axni7epkymaxww3x

This poll will close on Sunday 1 September at 1700 UTC  - the date and time will be announced shortly thereafter.

Please bear in mind that Monday 2nd September is Labour Day in the US, however this Doodle is to set a new time and date for ALL upcoming meetings.

Kind regards

Nathalie
GNSO Secretariat

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