[gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Re: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 30 October 2014 / some further comments/questions, etc

Wed Nov 12 23:40:46 UTC 2014

Thanks, Emily.

I'll have a meeting within 20 min from now to further discuss this topic (at INTA).

Best,Petter

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11 november 2014, Emily Taylor <emily.taylor at netistrar.com> skrev:
> Dear Petter
> Thank you for your message, and apologies for the delay in responding to your points.
> 
> I wanted to address the claim that because contracted parties had not made noises about ICANN’s advisory they must be okay with it.I’ve attached a letter that I'm informed was provided by the RySG to ICANN staff as a result of the RySG being provided an early version of the advisor for comment. I understand that none of these comments were taken into account by ICANN when they published the advisory and despite being asked why, I don’t believe any answer was forthcoming.
> 
> In short, there have been expressions of concern over the recent advisory, and my understanding from discussions on the RrSG list is that many have concerns over transliteration and translation of WHOIS data.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Emily
> On 30 October 2014 13:20, Petter Rindforth <<petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Dear All,
> > > Just a last minute summary of
> > > 
> > > Some further comments/questions/inputs/suggestions:
> > > 
> > > (collected from the IP point of view)
> > > 
> > > Note thatICANN issued an advisory last month clarifying technical aspects of provisions of the 2013 RAA and new gTLD Registry Agreement regarding uniform requirements for presenting Whois data.<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/registry-agreement-spec4-raa-rdds-2014-09-12-en>.Significantly , it states that “Registries and Registrars are encouraged to only use US-ASCII encoding and character repertoire for WHOIS port 43 output.” The purpose is to facilitate parsing of Whois data by automated tools such as ICANN’s centralized Whois data portal,<http://whois.icann.org/>. Similar arguments would apply to facilitating machine translation.
> > > 
> > > Thus the status quo is (or will be, by February 2015) that contracted parties are at least “encouraged” to transliterate into ASCII if Whois data is submitted in some other script.
> > > Has anyone heard any howls of outrage from registries and registrars over this?
> > > The advisory also states”All domain name labels in the values of any of the fields described in section 1.4.2 of the 2013 RAA, and sections 1.5, 1.6, and 1.7 of Specification 4 of the Registry Agreement (e.g., Domain Name, Name Server, email) MUST be shown in ASCII-compatible form (A-Label).
> > > 
> > > For example, a name server with an IDN label should be shown as:
> > > Name Server: ns1.xn--caf-dma.example.”
> > > 
> > > The referenced fields include virtually all the registrant data we are concerned with. See the listing in section 1.4.2 of Specification 3 of the 2013 RAA,<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en>.
> > > I’m not certain whether this ASCII requirement applies only to the labels (e.g., “Name Server”) or to the content following the label --- the example given suggests the latter—which further solidifies the idea that contracted parties are already required to transliterate Whois data into ASCII. But I could be misreading this requirement.
> > > 
> > > §§§
> > > 
> > > · "I think it would be useful to suggest the requirement that all Whois text be machine-readable text. I’m not sure if that’s already a recommendation of the EWG report, but as one can imagine, the Whois systems that substitute graphics for the e-mail (which, for all we know, could spread to other fields) would stymie attempts at automated translation by users of Whois.
> > > 
> > > · Does anyone have any ideas for avoiding flight by bad actors to the least translatable languages? One idea would be to require:
> > > 
> > > ·Whois info to be in either the language of the registrar or registrant (i.e. can’t pick some random language just to make it hard to translate),and
> > > 
> > > ·translation or transliteration is required if it’s not in a) Latin characters, b) one of the six U.N. languages, or c) possibly some larger but reasonable set of well-known and widely translatable languages (say, 20 or so)."
> > > -- 
> > > Petter Rindforth, LL M
> > > 
> > > Fenix Legal KB
> > > Stureplan 4c, 4tr
> > > 114 35 Stockholm
> > > Sweden
> > > Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 <tel:%2B46%280%298-4631010>
> > > Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360
> > > E-mail: <petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>
> > > <http://www.fenixlegal.eu>
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > Thank you
> > > 
> > > 
> -- 
> 
> Emily Taylor
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