From nathalie.peregrine at icann.org Wed Sep 3 07:51:46 2014 From: nathalie.peregrine at icann.org (Nathalie Peregrine) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 07:51:46 +0000 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER: PLEASE RSVP Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session Message-ID: Reminder: Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session These ongoing monthly sessions are for new GNSO WG participants to come together and discuss any questions they may have about GNSO Working Groups, procedures and/or processes. We know there is a lot of information to digest when you join a GNSO Working Group and these monthly meetings are an opportunity for newcomers and more experienced participants to meet in an informal setting without the pressure of "real work" that needs be done. The agenda is flexible. The presenters will be ready with a standard set of materials if people would like to discuss them. Feel free to submit questions, either in advance or at the beginning of the meeting, if there is a topic that you would like to explore in more depth . Providing useful answers to a wide range of questions is part of the reason why these meetings are Thursday 4 September at 20.00 UTC Thursday 2 October at 12.00 UTC Thursday 6 November at 20.00 UTC Thursday 4 December at 12.00 UTC To convert to your local time zone, please see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html If you are interested to join the next meeting on 4 September or any of the future meetings, please let the GNSO Secretariat know ( gnso-secs at icann.org) and we will send you the call details. If there are any specific questions you already have, or any overviews or introductions you think would be helpful (e.g. GNSO Policy Development Process or GNSO Working Group guidelines), please let us know in advance and we will prepare materials accordingly. Feel free to share this invitation with others that you think may be interested. We look forward to welcoming you at the next meeting! Nathalie Peregrine GNSO Secretariat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5457 bytes Desc: not available URL: From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk Thu Sep 4 10:53:46 2014 From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 10:53:46 +0000 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Preparation for today's meeting Message-ID: <867f2ae87e954d61b513564a821ae9c5@DB4PR01MB0461.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> Dear colleagues, Please a PDF and a Word version of Version 7 of the straw man attached. The PDF should make for easy reading. (In the Word version you can see the changes from Version 6.) Again I'm intending to start with the major changes: 1. an appendix which lists each recommendation and where I think we are as regards level of agreement. This may well be wrong in both directions (I think it's agreed and it isn't and it's agreed and I don't think it is) 2. the example record in the renumbered O5 section 3. Text changed as a result of recent calls is indicated in comments. You will notice that a lot of text has been deleted to make the document simpler and clearer. When I have deleted text, I have usually put the reason in a comment. I've also moved text around, in the attempt to make it more logical and turned bullets into numbers so that we can refer to sections more easily. As usual, your input is welcome, esp. on major change 1. above. 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Amr On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Nathalie Peregrine wrote: > > Dear All, > > The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 04 September 2014 at 1300 UTC > > 06:00 PDT, 09:00 EDT, 14:00 London, 15:00 CEST > For other places see: http://tinyurl.com/phc22c4 > > Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: > http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/ > > > Mailing list archives: > http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg/ > > Wiki page: > https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag > > The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: > http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ > > > The dial-in details are below - please let me know if you require a dial-out. > Please confirm your dial-out requests > GNSO Secretariats gnso-secs at icann.org > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Participant passcode: CONTACT > > Dial in numbers: > Country > > Toll Numbers > Freephone/ > Toll Free Number > ARGENTINA > > > > > > 0800-777-0519 > > AUSTRALIA > > ADELAIDE: > > 61-8-8121-4842 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > BRISBANE: > > 61-7-3102-0944 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > CANBERRA: > > 61-2-6100-1944 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > MELBOURNE: > > 61-3-9010-7713 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > PERTH: > > 61-8-9467-5223 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > SYDNEY: > > 61-2-8205-8129 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRIA > > > > 43-1-92-81-113 > > 0800-005-259 > > BELGIUM > > > > 32-2-400-9861 > > 0800-3-8795 > > BRAZIL > > > > > > 0800-7610651 > > CHILE > > > > > > 1230-020-2863 > > CHINA > > CHINA A: > > 86-400-810-4789 > > 10800-712-1670 > > CHINA > > CHINA B: > > 86-400-810-4789 > > 10800-120-1670 > > COLOMBIA > > > > > > 01800-9-156474 > > CZECH REPUBLIC > > > > 420-2-25-98-56-64 > > 800-700-177 > > DENMARK > > > > 45-7014-0284 > > 8088-8324 > > ESTONIA > > > > > > 800-011-1093 > > FINLAND > > > > 358-9-5424-7162 > > 0-800-9-14610 > > FRANCE > > LYON: > > 33-4-26-69-12-85 > > 080-511-1496 > > FRANCE > > MARSEILLE: > > 33-4-86-06-00-85 > > 080-511-1496 > > FRANCE > > PARIS: > > 33-1-70-70-60-72 > > 080-511-1496 > > GERMANY > > > > 49-69-2222-20362 > > 0800-664-4247 > > GREECE > > > > 30-80-1-100-0687 > > 00800-12-7312 > > HONG KONG > > > > 852-3001-3863 > > 800-962-856 > > HUNGARY > > > > > > 06-800-12755 > > INDIA > > INDIA A: > > > > 000-800-852-1268 > > INDIA > > INDIA B: > > > > 000-800-001-6305 > > INDIA > > INDIA C: > > > > 1800-300-00491 > > INDONESIA > > > > > > 001-803-011-3982 > > IRELAND > > > > 353-1-246-7646 > > 1800-992-368 > > ISRAEL > > > > > > 1-80-9216162 > > ITALY > > MILAN: > > 39-02-3600-6007 > > 800-986-383 > > JAPAN > > OSAKA: > > 81-6-7739-4799 > > 0066-33-132439 > > JAPAN > > TOKYO: > > 81-3-5539-5191 > > 0066-33-132439 > > LATVIA > > > > > > 8000-3185 > > LUXEMBOURG > > > > 352-27-000-1364 > > MALAYSIA > > > > > > 1-800-81-3065 > > MEXICO > > > > > > 001-866-376-9696 > > NETHERLANDS > > > > 31-20-718-8588 > > 0800-023-4378 > > NEW ZEALAND > > > > 64-9-970-4771 > > 0800-447-722 > > NORWAY > > > > 47-21-590-062 > > 800-15157 > > PANAMA > > > > > > 011-001-800-5072065 > > PERU > > > > > > 0800-53713 > > PHILIPPINES > > > > 63-2-858-3716 > > POLAND > > > > > > 00-800-1212572 > > PORTUGAL > > > > > > 8008-14052 > > RUSSIA > > > > > > 8-10-8002-0144011 > > SAUDI ARABIA > > > > > > 800-8-110087 > > SINGAPORE > > > > 65-6883-9230 > > 800-120-4663 > > SLOVAK REPUBLIC > > > > 421-2-322-422-25 > > SOUTH AFRICA > > > > > > 080-09-80414 > > SOUTH KOREA > > > > 82-2-6744-1083 > > 00798-14800-7352 > > SPAIN > > > > 34-91-414-25-33 > > 800-300-053 > > SWEDEN > > > > 46-8-566-19-348 > > 0200-884-622 > > SWITZERLAND > > > > 41-44-580-6398 > > 0800-120-032 > > TAIWAN > > > > 886-2-2795-7379 > > 00801-137-797 > > THAILAND > > > > > > 001-800-1206-66056 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > BIRMINGHAM: > > 44-121-210-9025 > > 0808-238-6029 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > GLASGOW: > > 44-141-202-3225 > > 0808-238-6029 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > LEEDS: > > 44-113-301-2125 > > 0808-238-6029 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > LONDON: > > 44-20-7108-6370 > > 0808-238-6029 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > MANCHESTER: > > 44-161-601-1425 > > 0808-238-6029 > > URUGUAY > > > > > > 000-413-598-3421 > > USA > > > > 1-517-345-9004 > > 866-692-5726 > > VENEZUELA > > > > > > 0800-1-00-3702 > > > > Thank you. > Kind regards, > Terri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justine.chew at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 12:43:23 2014 From: justine.chew at gmail.com (Justine Chew) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:43:23 +0800 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Re: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 04 September 2014 13:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <718A4BFA-AD4D-4734-B09E-E240E05195D8@egyptig.org> References: <718A4BFA-AD4D-4734-B09E-E240E05195D8@egyptig.org> Message-ID: Neither can I, apologies. Thanks, Justine Chew ----- On 4 September 2014 20:40, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Apologies about the late notice, but I will not be able to attend today?s > call. > > Thanks. > > Amr > > On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Nathalie Peregrine < > nathalie.peregrine at icann.org> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP > Working Group teleconference is scheduled for* Thursday 04 September 2014 > at 1300 UTC * > > 06:00 PDT, 09:00 EDT, 14:00 London, 15:00 CEST > For other places see: http://tinyurl.com/phc22c4 > > *Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled:* > http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/ > > > Mailing list archives: > http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg/ > > Wiki page: > https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag > > The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO > Master Calendar page: > http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ > > > The dial-in details are below - please let me know if you require a > dial-out. > *Please confirm your dial-out requests* > GNSO Secretariats gnso-secs at icann.org > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Participant passcode: *CONTACT* > > *Dial in numbers:* > *Country* > > *Toll Numbers* > > *Freephone/ Toll Free Number* > > ARGENTINA > > > > > > 0800-777-0519 > > AUSTRALIA > > ADELAIDE: > > 61-8-8121-4842 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > BRISBANE: > > 61-7-3102-0944 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > CANBERRA: > > 61-2-6100-1944 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > MELBOURNE: > > 61-3-9010-7713 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > PERTH: > > 61-8-9467-5223 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRALIA > > SYDNEY: > > 61-2-8205-8129 > > 1-800-657-260 > > AUSTRIA > > > > 43-1-92-81-113 > > 0800-005-259 > > BELGIUM > > > > 32-2-400-9861 > > 0800-3-8795 > > BRAZIL > > > > > > 0800-7610651 > > CHILE > > > > > > 1230-020-2863 > > CHINA > > CHINA A: > > 86-400-810-4789 > > 10800-712-1670 > > CHINA > > CHINA B: > > 86-400-810-4789 > > 10800-120-1670 > > COLOMBIA > > > > > > 01800-9-156474 > > CZECH REPUBLIC > > > > 420-2-25-98-56-64 > > 800-700-177 > > DENMARK > > > > 45-7014-0284 > > 8088-8324 > > ESTONIA > > > > > > 800-011-1093 > > FINLAND > > > > 358-9-5424-7162 > > 0-800-9-14610 > > FRANCE > > LYON: > > 33-4-26-69-12-85 > > 080-511-1496 > > FRANCE > > MARSEILLE: > > 33-4-86-06-00-85 > > 080-511-1496 > > FRANCE > > PARIS: > > 33-1-70-70-60-72 > > 080-511-1496 > > GERMANY > > > > 49-69-2222-20362 > > 0800-664-4247 > > GREECE > > > > 30-80-1-100-0687 > > 00800-12-7312 > > HONG KONG > > > > 852-3001-3863 > > 800-962-856 > > HUNGARY > > > > > > 06-800-12755 > > INDIA > > INDIA A: > > > > 000-800-852-1268 > > INDIA > > INDIA B: > > > > 000-800-001-6305 > > INDIA > > INDIA C: > > > > 1800-300-00491 > > INDONESIA > > > > > > 001-803-011-3982 > > IRELAND > > > > 353-1-246-7646 > > 1800-992-368 > > ISRAEL > > > > > > 1-80-9216162 > > ITALY > > MILAN: > > 39-02-3600-6007 > > 800-986-383 > > JAPAN > > OSAKA: > > 81-6-7739-4799 > > 0066-33-132439 > > JAPAN > > TOKYO: > > 81-3-5539-5191 > > 0066-33-132439 > > LATVIA > > > > > > 8000-3185 > > LUXEMBOURG > > > > 352-27-000-1364 > > MALAYSIA > > > > > > 1-800-81-3065 > > MEXICO > > > > > > 001-866-376-9696 > > NETHERLANDS > > > > 31-20-718-8588 > > 0800-023-4378 > > NEW ZEALAND > > > > 64-9-970-4771 > > 0800-447-722 > > NORWAY > > > > 47-21-590-062 > > 800-15157 > > PANAMA > > > > > > 011-001-800-5072065 > > PERU > > > > > > 0800-53713 > > PHILIPPINES > > > > 63-2-858-3716 > > POLAND > > > > > > 00-800-1212572 > > PORTUGAL > > > > > > 8008-14052 > > RUSSIA > > > > > > 8-10-8002-0144011 > > SAUDI ARABIA > > > > > > 800-8-110087 > > SINGAPORE > > > > 65-6883-9230 > > 800-120-4663 > > SLOVAK REPUBLIC > > > > 421-2-322-422-25 > > SOUTH AFRICA > > > > > > 080-09-80414 > > SOUTH KOREA > > > > 82-2-6744-1083 > > 00798-14800-7352 > > SPAIN > > > > 34-91-414-25-33 > > 800-300-053 > > SWEDEN > > > > 46-8-566-19-348 > > 0200-884-622 > > SWITZERLAND > > > > 41-44-580-6398 > > 0800-120-032 > > TAIWAN > > > > 886-2-2795-7379 > > 00801-137-797 > > THAILAND > > > > > > 001-800-1206-66056 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > BIRMINGHAM: > > 44-121-210-9025 > > 0808-238-6029 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > GLASGOW: > > 44-141-202-3225 > > 0808-238-6029 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > LEEDS: > > 44-113-301-2125 > > 0808-238-6029 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > LONDON: > > 44-20-7108-6370 > > 0808-238-6029 > > UNITED KINGDOM > > MANCHESTER: > > 44-161-601-1425 > > 0808-238-6029 > > URUGUAY > > > > > > 000-413-598-3421 > > USA > > > > 1-517-345-9004 > > 866-692-5726 > > VENEZUELA > > > > > > 0800-1-00-3702 > > > Thank you. > Kind regards, > Terri > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lindsay.Hamilton-Reid at fasthosts.com Thu Sep 4 12:45:57 2014 From: Lindsay.Hamilton-Reid at fasthosts.com (Lindsay Hamilton-Reid) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:45:57 +0000 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Re: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 04 September 2014 13:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <718A4BFA-AD4D-4734-B09E-E240E05195D8@egyptig.org> Message-ID: <4752f131cd18499fae9fb783dbc7d5a6@kappex002-be.webde.local> I must send in my apologies too. Kind regards Lindsay From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Justine Chew Sent: 04 September 2014 13:43 To: Amr Elsadr Cc: Nathalie Peregrine; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org; gnso-secs at icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Re: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 04 September 2014 13:00 UTC Neither can I, apologies. Thanks, Justine Chew ----- On 4 September 2014 20:40, Amr Elsadr > wrote: Apologies about the late notice, but I will not be able to attend today?s call. Thanks. Amr On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Nathalie Peregrine > wrote: Dear All, The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 04 September 2014 at 1300 UTC 06:00 PDT, 09:00 EDT, 14:00 London, 15:00 CEST For other places see: http://tinyurl.com/phc22c4 Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/ Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ The dial-in details are below - please let me know if you require a dial-out. Please confirm your dial-out requests GNSO Secretariats gnso-secs at icann.org _____________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: CONTACT Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/ Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 06-800-12755 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7739-4799 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-5539-5191 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 Thank you. 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GAC Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Petter Rindforth ? IPC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Apologies: Justine Chew- Individual Amr Elsadr ? NCUC Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG Jennifer Chung - RySG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Mary Wong Amy Bivins Maryam Bakoshi Nathalie Peregrine Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 04 September 2014: Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 04th September 2014 Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:hello :) Chris Dillon:Hello everyone. Wanawit Ahkuputra:hello from. Wanawit Ahkuputra:IGF 2014 Istanbul Peter Dernbach:Hello everyone. Julie Hedlund:Hello everyone and welcome! Peter Green ?CONAC?:Hello since London meeting?sorry for missing several times Chris Dillon:Peter - No problem. It's nice to see you online. Peter Green ?CONAC?:Thanks Chris, nice to see you too Julie Hedlund:@Chris -- I have made you a host so that you can move the document as you run through it if you like. Peter Green ?CONAC?:In terms of "desirable" and "undesirable" to transform contact data, I think the point is we should focus on the extent to which how many people will access or need acess the WHOIS data that is not recorded in their own language community,t.For example, how many English-speaking users will or need access Chinese or Japanese or Thai WHOIS data. Petter Rindforth:Ok, then I understand and agree - generally.... ;-) Terri Agnew:We will find that line Peter Dernbach:Thanks Chris and all. Julie Hedlund:Thanks so much everyone! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Chris Dillon:Thank you all! 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NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG Jennifer Chung ? RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth ? IPC Jim Galvin ? SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. 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Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon ? NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG Jennifer Chung ? RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth ? IPC Jim Galvin ? SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? 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GNSO Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy Part D Working Group . GNSO Policy and Implementation Working Group . GNSO Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues Working Group . ccNSO Framework of Interpretation Working Group Final Report . ALAC Policy Advice and RALO Activities . ATLAS II Implementation Progress . GAC's Remaining Advice on new generic Top-Level Domains . GAC's Implementation of ATRT2 Recommendations . RSSAC Caucus Work Parties . SSAC Advisories and Activities The two sessions are duplicates, scheduled to accommodate different time zones. Each session runs for 90 minutes and will be conducted in English only. The webinar will be conducted in Adobe Connect along with a dial-in conference bridge for audio. Participants will have the opportunity to ask questions at the end of each session. During the course of the webinar, questions may be submitted using the chat function in Adobe Connect. Recordings of the webinars will be made available. 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Best,Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: > > Dear colleagues, > > Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. > > In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. > > Regards, > > Chris. > -- > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) > > From:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf OfNathalie Peregrine > Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 > To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org > Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org > Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 > > Dear All, > Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on?Thursday 11 September at?1300?UTC at: > > On page: > > The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO > > Master Calendar page: > > > Attendees: > Chris Dillon ? NCSG > Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual > Peter Dernbach- IPC > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC > Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC > Justine Chew-Individual > Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC > Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG > Jennifer Chung ? RySG > Wen Zhai - NTAG > > Apologies: > Petter Rindforth ? IPC > Jim Galvin ? SSAC > Emily Taylor - RrSG > > ICANN staff: > Julie Hedlund > Lars Hoffmann > Amy Bivins > Glen de Saint Gery > Nathalie Peregrine > > > ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** > > Wiki page: > > Thank you. > Kind regards, > > Nathalie > GNSO Secretariat > > > Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: > Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 > Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! > Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! > Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? > Chris Dillon:Hello all > Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris > Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone > Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. > Chris Dillon:Thanks > Peter Dernbach:Hell all. > Peter Dernbach:Hello all. > Wen Zhai:Good evening~ > Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! > Wen Zhai::) > Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor > Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion > Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. > Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? > Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". > Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" > Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact > Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 > Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 > Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! > Justine Chew:yes could be both > Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 > Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? > Rudi Vansnick:thank you all > Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all > Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! > Chris Dillon:Thank you. > Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope to re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars From: Petter Rindforth Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. 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Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man > (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of > which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. > > > > In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. > Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in > paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris. > > -- > > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, > UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) > www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon > > > > > From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org > [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie > Peregrine > Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 > To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org > Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org > Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of > Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 > > > > Dear All, > > > Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of > Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at > 1300 UTC at: > http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 > > > > On page: > > http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep > > > The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO > > Master Calendar page: > > http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ > > > > Attendees: > > Chris Dillon ? NCSG > > Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual > > Peter Dernbach- IPC > > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC > > Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC > > Justine Chew- Individual > > Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC > > Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG > > Jennifer Chung ? RySG > > Wen Zhai - NTAG > > > > Apologies: > > Petter Rindforth ? IPC > > Jim Galvin ? SSAC > > Emily Taylor - RrSG > > > > ICANN staff: > > Julie Hedlund > > Lars Hoffmann > > Amy Bivins > > Glen de Saint Gery > > Nathalie Peregrine > > > > ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** > > > > Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx > > > > Thank you. > > Kind regards, > > > > Nathalie > > GNSO Secretariat > > > > Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: > > Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration > of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 > > Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! > > Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! > > Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? > > Chris Dillon:Hello all > > Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris > > Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone > > Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on > the screen. > > Chris Dillon:Thanks > > Peter Dernbach:Hell all. > > Peter Dernbach:Hello all. > > Wen Zhai:Good evening~ > > Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! > > Wen Zhai::) > > Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor > > Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion > > Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. > > Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? > > Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean > "registrants". > > Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" > > Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact > > Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 > > Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 > > Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! > > Justine Chew:yes could be both > > Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 > > Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and > qualify if it is not within the WG scope? > > Rudi Vansnick:thank you all > > Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. > > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all > > Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! > > Chris Dillon:Thank you. > > Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: Lars Hoffmann [mailto:lars.hoffmann at icann.org] Sent: 30 September 2014 08:01 To: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu; Dillon, Chris Cc: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today - I hope to re-edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report's completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars From: Petter Rindforth > Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" > Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" > Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris > skrev: Dear colleagues, Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon - NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset - Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick - NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid - RrSG Jennifer Chung - RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth - IPC Jim Galvin - SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emily.taylor at netistrar.com Tue Sep 30 08:44:17 2014 From: emily.taylor at netistrar.com (Emily Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:44:17 +0100 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report In-Reply-To: References: <9178003295fc4537aeb23953beda8edd@DB4PR01MB0461.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1412024039553.61312.21398@webmail7> Message-ID: Dear Petter Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. Best wishes, Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > Dear Petter, > Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity > on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft > Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to > re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, > it might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for > review. > Many thanks and best wishes, > Lars > > > From: Petter Rindforth > Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" > > Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 > To: "Dillon, Chris" > Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" > > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report > > Dear All, > > I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see > enclosed). > > Best, > Petter > > -- > Petter Rindforth, LL M > > Fenix Legal KB > Stureplan 4c, 4tr > 114 35 Stockholm > Sweden > Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 > Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 > E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu > www.fenixlegal.eu > > > NOTICE > This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals > to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client > privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy > or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it > immediately and notify us by return e-mail. > Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu > Thank you > > 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man > (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of > which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. > > > > In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. > Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in > paragraph 1 of Appendix B: *registrar* should read *registrant*. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris. > > -- > > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, > UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) > www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon > > > > *From:* owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [ > mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Nathalie > Peregrine > *Sent:* 11 September 2014 21:44 > *To:* gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org > *Cc:* gnso-secs at icann.org > *Subject:* [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration > of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 > > > > Dear All, > > > Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of > Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September > at 1300 UTC at: > http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 > > > > On page: > > http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep > > The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO > > Master Calendar page: > > http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ > > > > *Attendees:* > > Chris Dillon ? NCSG > > Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual > > Peter Dernbach- IPC > > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC > > Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC > > Justine Chew- Individual > > Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC > > Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG > > Jennifer Chung ? RySG > > Wen Zhai - NTAG > > > > *Apologies: * > > Petter Rindforth ? IPC > > Jim Galvin ? SSAC > > Emily Taylor - RrSG > > > > *ICANN staff:* > > Julie Hedlund > > Lars Hoffmann > > Amy Bivins > > Glen de Saint Gery > > Nathalie Peregrine > > > > ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** > > > > Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx > > > > Thank you. > > Kind regards, > > > > Nathalie > > GNSO Secretariat > > > > *Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:* > > Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and > Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th > September 2014 > > Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! > > Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! > > Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? > > Chris Dillon:Hello all > > Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris > > Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone > > Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document > on the screen. > > Chris Dillon:Thanks > > Peter Dernbach:Hell all. > > Peter Dernbach:Hello all. > > Wen Zhai:Good evening~ > > Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! > > Wen Zhai::) > > Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor > > Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion > > Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. > > Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? > > Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you > mean "registrants". > > Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" > > Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact > > Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 > > Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 > > Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! > > Justine Chew:yes could be both > > Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 > > Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and > qualify if it is not within the WG scope? > > Rudi Vansnick:thank you all > > Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. > > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all > > Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! > > Chris Dillon:Thank you. > > Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! > > > > -- Emily Taylor *MA(Cantab), MBA* Director *Netistrar Limited* 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. 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Best wishes, and thanks as always for your work in guiding this process, Emily On 30 September 2014 09:50, Dillon, Chris wrote: > Dear Emily, > > > > We?re hoping we?re only hours away from releasing a draft initial report > which will include options mandatorily to transform and not. Please wait > for that document which should include Petter?s suggestions, rather than > circulating another version of the straw man. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris. > > -- > > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, > UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) > www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon > > > > *From:* Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor at netistrar.com] > *Sent:* 30 September 2014 09:44 > *To:* Lars Hoffmann > *Cc:* petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu; Dillon, Chris; > gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org > > *Subject:* Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report > > > > Dear Petter > > > > Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. > > > > I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, > which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making > transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus > in the working group as far as I am aware. > > > > I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of > the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the > previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer > representation of opinions on the working group. > > > > The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries > and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in > group. > > > > You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs > of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is > particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of > transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. > > > > I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for > comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes > proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, > unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset > the consensus in the policy working group. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Emily. > > > > On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > > Dear Petter, > > Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity > on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft > Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to > re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, > it might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for > review. > > Many thanks and best wishes, > > Lars > > > > > > *From: *Petter Rindforth > *Reply-To: *"petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" < > petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu> > *Date: *Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 > *To: *"Dillon, Chris" > *Cc: *"gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" < > gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org> > *Subject: *Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report > > > > Dear All, > > > > I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see > enclosed). > > > > Best, > > Petter > > -- > Petter Rindforth, LL M > > Fenix Legal KB > Stureplan 4c, 4tr > 114 35 Stockholm > Sweden > Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 > Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 > E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu > www.fenixlegal.eu > > > NOTICE > This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals > to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client > privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy > or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it > immediately and notify us by return e-mail. > Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu > Thank you > > 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man > (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of > which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. > > > > In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. > Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in > paragraph 1 of Appendix B: *registrar* should read *registrant*. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris. > > -- > > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, > UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) > www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon > > > > *From:* owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [ > mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Nathalie > Peregrine > *Sent:* 11 September 2014 21:44 > *To:* gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org > *Cc:* gnso-secs at icann.org > *Subject:* [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration > of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 > > > > Dear All, > > > Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of > Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September > at 1300 UTC at: > http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 > > > > On page: > > http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep > > The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO > > Master Calendar page: > > http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ > > > > *Attendees:* > > Chris Dillon ? NCSG > > Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual > > Peter Dernbach- IPC > > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC > > Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC > > Justine Chew- Individual > > Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC > > Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG > > Jennifer Chung ? RySG > > Wen Zhai - NTAG > > > > *Apologies: * > > Petter Rindforth ? IPC > > Jim Galvin ? SSAC > > Emily Taylor - RrSG > > > > *ICANN staff:* > > Julie Hedlund > > Lars Hoffmann > > Amy Bivins > > Glen de Saint Gery > > Nathalie Peregrine > > > > ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** > > > > Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx > > > > Thank you. > > Kind regards, > > > > Nathalie > > GNSO Secretariat > > > > *Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:* > > Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and > Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th > September 2014 > > Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! > > Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! > > Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? > > Chris Dillon:Hello all > > Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris > > Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone > > Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document > on the screen. > > Chris Dillon:Thanks > > Peter Dernbach:Hell all. > > Peter Dernbach:Hello all. > > Wen Zhai:Good evening~ > > Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! > > Wen Zhai::) > > Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor > > Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion > > Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. > > Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? > > Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you > mean "registrants". > > Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" > > Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact > > Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 > > Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 > > Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! > > Justine Chew:yes could be both > > Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 > > Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and > qualify if it is not within the WG scope? > > Rudi Vansnick:thank you all > > Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. > > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all > > Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! > > Chris Dillon:Thank you. > > Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! > > > > > > > > -- > > *Emily Taylor* > > *MA(Cantab), MBA* > Director > > *Netistrar Limited* > 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | > M: +44 7540 049322 > E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com > > Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, > Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. 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URL: From lars.hoffmann at icann.org Tue Sep 30 09:05:50 2014 From: lars.hoffmann at icann.org (Lars Hoffmann) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:05:50 +0000 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report In-Reply-To: References: <9178003295fc4537aeb23953beda8edd@DB4PR01MB0461.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1412024039553.61312.21398@webmail7> Message-ID: Dear Emily, dear all, First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just wanted to lay out the groups? envisaged progress from now until after LA to provide a little clarity where as are: 1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report. Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument ? one supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion. 2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG?s face-to-face meeting. Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both sides of the argument. 3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51 Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument. 4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations. Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's recommendations put forward in it Final Report ? which is no prejudiced by the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report. Based on this, I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial Report has been circulated to gather further input/feedback from their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me or Julie either on or off list. Many thanks and very best wishes, Lars From: Emily Taylor Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 To: Lars HOFFMANN Cc: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" , "Dillon, Chris" , "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Petter Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. Best wishes, Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > Dear Petter, > Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on > the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report > that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to re?edit the > document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might > somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for review. > Many thanks and best wishes, > Lars > > > From: Petter Rindforth > Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" > Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 > To: "Dillon, Chris" > Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report > > Dear All, > > I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see > enclosed). > > Best, > Petter > > -- > Petter Rindforth, LL M > > Fenix Legal KB > Stureplan 4c, 4tr > 114 35 Stockholm > Sweden > Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 > Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 > E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu > www.fenixlegal.eu > > > NOTICE > This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to > whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged > information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not > the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it > or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify > us by return e-mail. > Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu > Thank you > > > 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> >> >> Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man >> (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of >> which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. >> >> >> >> In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. >> Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in >> paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> >> Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, >> UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 >> (int 31599) >> www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon >> >> >> >> >> From:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org >> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie >> Peregrine >> Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 >> To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org >> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of >> Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 >> >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> >> Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of >> Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at >> 1300 UTC at: >> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 >> >> >> >> On page: >> >> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep >> >> >> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO >> >> Master Calendar page: >> >> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ >> >> >> >> Attendees: >> >> Chris Dillon ? NCSG >> >> Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual >> >> Peter Dernbach- IPC >> >> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC >> >> Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC >> >> Justine Chew- Individual >> >> Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC >> >> Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG >> >> Jennifer Chung ? RySG >> >> Wen Zhai - NTAG >> >> >> >> Apologies: >> >> Petter Rindforth ? IPC >> >> Jim Galvin ? SSAC >> >> Emily Taylor - RrSG >> >> >> >> ICANN staff: >> >> Julie Hedlund >> >> Lars Hoffmann >> >> Amy Bivins >> >> Glen de Saint Gery >> >> Nathalie Peregrine >> >> >> >> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** >> >> >> >> Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Nathalie >> >> GNSO Secretariat >> >> >> >> Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: >> >> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration >> of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 >> >> Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! >> >> Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! >> >> Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? >> >> Chris Dillon:Hello all >> >> Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris >> >> Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone >> >> Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on >> the screen. >> >> Chris Dillon:Thanks >> >> Peter Dernbach:Hell all. >> >> Peter Dernbach:Hello all. >> >> Wen Zhai:Good evening~ >> >> Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! >> >> Wen Zhai::) >> >> Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor >> >> Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion >> >> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. >> >> Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? >> >> Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean >> "registrants". >> >> Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" >> >> Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact >> >> Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 >> >> Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 >> >> Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! >> >> Justine Chew:yes could be both >> >> Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 >> >> Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and >> qualify if it is not within the WG scope? >> >> Rudi Vansnick:thank you all >> >> Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. >> >> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all >> >> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! >> >> Chris Dillon:Thank you. >> >> Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! >> >> -- Emily Taylor MA(Cantab), MBA Director Netistrar Limited 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. 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Please wait for that document which should include Petter?s suggestions, rather than circulating another version of the straw man. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor at netistrar.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 09:44 To: Lars Hoffmann Cc: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu; Dillon, Chris; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Petter Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. Best wishes, Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann > wrote: Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars From: Petter Rindforth > Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" > Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" > Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris > skrev: Dear colleagues, Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon ? NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG Jennifer Chung ? RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth ? IPC Jim Galvin ? SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? 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URL: From petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu Tue Sep 30 10:24:40 2014 From: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu (Petter Rindforth) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:24:40 GMT Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1412072680480.91444.3388@webmail7> Hi Emily, As said: There is no conses in the group in these topics. That's what I wanted to have more clearly indicated. Best,Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 30 september 2014, Emily Taylor skrev: > Dear Petter > > Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. > > I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. > > I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. > > The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. > > You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. > > I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. > > Best wishes, > > Emily. > On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <> wrote: > > > Dear Petter, > > Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial?Report that we thought to send out to the Group today???I hope to re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it?might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s?completion and distribution for review. > > Many thanks and best wishes, > > Lars > > > > From: Petter Rindforth <> > > Reply-To: "" <> > > Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 > > To: "Dillon, Chris" <> > > Cc: "" <> > > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). > > > > Best,Petter > > > > -- > > Petter Rindforth, LL M > > > > Fenix Legal KB > > Stureplan 4c, 4tr > > 114 35 Stockholm > > Sweden > > Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 > > Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 > > E-mail: > > > > > > > > NOTICE > > This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. > > Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, > > Thank you > > > > > > 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <> skrev: > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > > > Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. > > > > > > In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chris. > > > -- > > > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) > > > > > > From: [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org ] On Behalf OfNathalie Peregrine > > > Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 > > > To: > > > Cc: > > > Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 > > > > > > Dear All, > > > Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on?Thursday 11 September at?1300?UTC at: > > > > > > On page: > > > > > > The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO > > > Master Calendar page: > > > > > > > > > Attendees: > > > Chris Dillon ? NCSG > > > Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual > > > Peter Dernbach- IPC > > > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC > > > Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC > > > Justine Chew-Individual > > > Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC > > > Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG > > > Jennifer Chung ? RySG > > > Wen Zhai - NTAG > > > > > > Apologies: > > > Petter Rindforth ? IPC > > > Jim Galvin ? SSAC > > > Emily Taylor - RrSG > > > > > > ICANN staff: > > > Julie Hedlund > > > Lars Hoffmann > > > Amy Bivins > > > Glen de Saint Gery > > > Nathalie Peregrine > > > > > > ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** > > > > > > Wiki page: > > > > > > Thank you. > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Nathalie > > > GNSO Secretariat > > > > > > Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: > > > Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 > > > Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! > > > Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! > > > Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? > > > Chris Dillon:Hello all > > > Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris > > > Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone > > > Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. > > > Chris Dillon:Thanks > > > Peter Dernbach:Hell all. > > > Peter Dernbach:Hello all. > > > Wen Zhai:Good evening~ > > > Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! > > > Wen Zhai::) > > > Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor > > > Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion > > > Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. > > > Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? > > > Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". > > > Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" > > > Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact > > > Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 > > > Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 > > > Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! > > > Justine Chew:yes could be both > > > Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 > > > Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? > > > Rudi Vansnick:thank you all > > > Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. > > > Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all > > > Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! > > > Chris Dillon:Thank you. > > > Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! > > > > > > -- > > Emily Taylor > MA(Cantab), MBA > Director > Netistrar Limited > 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL| T:+44 1865 582811| M:+44 7540 049322 > E:| W: > > Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No.?08735583. VAT No.?190062332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk Tue Sep 30 10:31:11 2014 From: c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk (Dillon, Chris) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:31:11 +0000 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report In-Reply-To: References: <9178003295fc4537aeb23953beda8edd@DB4PR01MB0461.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1412024039553.61312.21398@webmail7> <5e2a0aec13844c01bec362067cc16234@DB4PR01MB0461.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <638df2f873f54305a0e4f67d4a6c1e87@DB4PR01MB0461.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> Dear Emily, I?m really grateful for both your and Petter?s input. At this stage the key thing is to make sure that it is all reflected in the initial draft document which contains options, which the straw man didn?t. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor at netistrar.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 09:57 To: Dillon, Chris Cc: Lars Hoffmann; petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Chris Thanks for your message. I have no wish to break the editing / release cycle. I did, however, want to make it very clear as early as possible that the latest proposed edits are controversial, and do not have consensus (at least not from this quarter!). Best wishes, and thanks as always for your work in guiding this process, Emily On 30 September 2014 09:50, Dillon, Chris > wrote: Dear Emily, We?re hoping we?re only hours away from releasing a draft initial report which will include options mandatorily to transform and not. Please wait for that document which should include Petter?s suggestions, rather than circulating another version of the straw man. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor at netistrar.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 09:44 To: Lars Hoffmann Cc: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu; Dillon, Chris; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Petter Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. Best wishes, Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann > wrote: Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars From: Petter Rindforth > Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" > Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" > Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris > skrev: Dear colleagues, Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon ? NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG Jennifer Chung ? RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth ? IPC Jim Galvin ? SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! -- Emily Taylor MA(Cantab), MBA Director Netistrar Limited 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com [http://www.netistrar.com/wp-content/themes/carfax-child/assets/img/Netistrar_Domain_Name_Registrar.gif] Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. 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I couldn?t agree more with Emily?s assessment of this sudden reversal in recommendations being proposed, and its lack of accurate representation of the current WG consensus level. Regarding the second paragraph in the first recommendation, it may be a better idea to refer to the WG members rather than the stakeholders when specifying the current consensus level of the WG. Thanks. Amr On Sep 30, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Emily Taylor wrote: > Dear Petter > > Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. > > I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. > > I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. > > The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. > > You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. > > I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. > > Best wishes, > > > Emily. > > On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > Dear Petter, > Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for review. > Many thanks and best wishes, > Lars > > > From: Petter Rindforth > Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" > Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 > To: "Dillon, Chris" > Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report > > Dear All, > > I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). > > Best, > Petter > > -- > Petter Rindforth, LL M > > Fenix Legal KB > Stureplan 4c, 4tr > 114 35 Stockholm > Sweden > Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 > Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 > E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu > www.fenixlegal.eu > > > NOTICE > This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. > Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu > Thank you > > 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> >> Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. >> >> >> In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> >> Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon >> >> >> From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine >> Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 >> To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org >> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> >> Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: >> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 >> >> >> On page: >> >> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep >> >> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO >> >> Master Calendar page: >> >> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ >> >> >> Attendees: >> >> Chris Dillon ? NCSG >> >> Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual >> >> Peter Dernbach- IPC >> >> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC >> >> Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC >> >> Justine Chew- Individual >> >> Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC >> >> Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG >> >> Jennifer Chung ? RySG >> >> Wen Zhai - NTAG >> >> >> Apologies: >> >> Petter Rindforth ? IPC >> >> Jim Galvin ? SSAC >> >> Emily Taylor - RrSG >> >> >> ICANN staff: >> >> Julie Hedlund >> >> Lars Hoffmann >> >> Amy Bivins >> >> Glen de Saint Gery >> >> Nathalie Peregrine >> >> >> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** >> >> >> Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Nathalie >> >> GNSO Secretariat >> >> >> Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: >> >> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 >> >> Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! >> >> Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! >> >> Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? >> >> Chris Dillon:Hello all >> >> Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris >> >> Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone >> >> Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. >> >> Chris Dillon:Thanks >> >> Peter Dernbach:Hell all. >> >> Peter Dernbach:Hello all. >> >> Wen Zhai:Good evening~ >> >> Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! >> >> Wen Zhai::) >> >> Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor >> >> Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion >> >> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. >> >> Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? >> >> Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". >> >> Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" >> >> Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact >> >> Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 >> >> Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 >> >> Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! >> >> Justine Chew:yes could be both >> >> Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 >> >> Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? >> >> Rudi Vansnick:thank you all >> >> Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. >> >> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all >> >> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! >> >> Chris Dillon:Thank you. >> >> Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! >> >> >> > > > > -- > Emily Taylor > MA(Cantab), MBA > Director > > Netistrar Limited > 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 > E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com > > > > Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aelsadr at egyptig.org Tue Sep 30 14:05:05 2014 From: aelsadr at egyptig.org (Amr Elsadr) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:05:05 +0200 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report In-Reply-To: References: <9178003295fc4537aeb23953beda8edd@DB4PR01MB0461.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1412024039553.61312.21398@webmail7> Message-ID: Hi Lars, Personally, I find this approach rather odd. The WG is the bottom of the bottom-up policy development process. It?s supposed to make concrete recommendations that are clearly stated in the initial report (or a draft of this report) with a clear indication of the WG?s consensus level with these recommendations. The WG shouldn't have two sets of conflicting recommendations, and ask others to decide which set they like better. That?s what the public comment period is for. This also provides an opportunity for any members with a minority position to provide a minority statement, which should be attached to the draft initial report and equally accessible for community review. To send a draft with two completely conflicting set of recommendations will only serve to confuse the readers/audience on what the consensus of the WG members is, following months of dialogue on the advantages and disadvantages of mandatory transformation. At this time, I believe the prudent course of action would be to determine the consensus levels among the WG members for each of the two drafts (Chris? latest draft and the one with the modifications made by Petter). Thanks. Amr On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > Dear Emily, dear all, > > First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just wanted to lay out the groups? envisaged progress from now until after LA to provide a little clarity where as are: > > 1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report. > Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument ? one supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion. > > 2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG?s face-to-face meeting. > Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both sides of the argument. > > 3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51 > Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument. > > 4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations. > Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's recommendations put forward in it Final Report ? which is no prejudiced by the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report. > > Based on this, I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial Report has been circulated to gather further input/feedback from their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community. > > If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me or Julie either on or off list. > > Many thanks and very best wishes, > Lars > > > > > From: Emily Taylor > Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 > To: Lars HOFFMANN > Cc: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" , "Dillon, Chris" , "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report > > Dear Petter > > Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. > > I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. > > I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. > > The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. > > You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. > > I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. > > Best wishes, > > > Emily. > > On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann wrote: >> Dear Petter, >> Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for review. >> Many thanks and best wishes, >> Lars >> >> >> From: Petter Rindforth >> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" >> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 >> To: "Dillon, Chris" >> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" >> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report >> >> Dear All, >> >> I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). >> >> Best, >> Petter >> >> -- >> Petter Rindforth, LL M >> >> Fenix Legal KB >> Stureplan 4c, 4tr >> 114 35 Stockholm >> Sweden >> Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 >> Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 >> E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu >> www.fenixlegal.eu >> >> >> NOTICE >> This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. >> Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu >> Thank you >> >> 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. >>> >>> In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Chris. >>> -- >>> Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon >>> >>> From:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine >>> Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 >>> To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org >>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org >>> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: >>> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 >>> >>> On page: >>> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep >>> >>> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO >>> Master Calendar page: >>> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ >>> >>> Attendees: >>> Chris Dillon ? NCSG >>> Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual >>> Peter Dernbach- IPC >>> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC >>> Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC >>> Justine Chew- Individual >>> Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC >>> Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG >>> Jennifer Chung ? RySG >>> Wen Zhai - NTAG >>> >>> Apologies: >>> Petter Rindforth ? IPC >>> Jim Galvin ? SSAC >>> Emily Taylor - RrSG >>> >>> ICANN staff: >>> Julie Hedlund >>> Lars Hoffmann >>> Amy Bivins >>> Glen de Saint Gery >>> Nathalie Peregrine >>> >>> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** >>> >>> Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx >>> >>> Thank you. >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Nathalie >>> GNSO Secretariat >>> >>> Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: >>> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 >>> Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! >>> Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! >>> Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? >>> Chris Dillon:Hello all >>> Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris >>> Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone >>> Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. >>> Chris Dillon:Thanks >>> Peter Dernbach:Hell all. >>> Peter Dernbach:Hello all. >>> Wen Zhai:Good evening~ >>> Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! >>> Wen Zhai::) >>> Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor >>> Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion >>> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. >>> Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? >>> Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". >>> Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" >>> Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact >>> Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 >>> Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 >>> Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! >>> Justine Chew:yes could be both >>> Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 >>> Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? >>> Rudi Vansnick:thank you all >>> Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. >>> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all >>> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! >>> Chris Dillon:Thank you. >>> Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! >>> > > > > -- > Emily Taylor > MA(Cantab), MBA > Director > > Netistrar Limited > 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 > E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com > > > > Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emily.taylor at netistrar.com Tue Sep 30 15:33:16 2014 From: emily.taylor at netistrar.com (Emily Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:33:16 +0100 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report In-Reply-To: References: <9178003295fc4537aeb23953beda8edd@DB4PR01MB0461.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> <1412024039553.61312.21398@webmail7> Message-ID: Dear all I agree with Amr's point of view. Is there a particular reason why we need to go back to Council at this point (I'm not particularly familiar with the process)? I was surprised by the recent edits because I had thought that the group was pretty comfortable about the position we were heading in. I must have been wrong there, and it is useful to surface the issues within the group and talk them through. I see this as a point where we need to work harder within the working group before going out to public comment (if I've understood the intent correctly) - not sure we're quite "ready for primetime" as the saying goes. Best Emily On 30 September 2014 15:05, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Hi Lars, > > Personally, I find this approach rather odd. The WG is the bottom of the > bottom-up policy development process. It?s supposed to make concrete > recommendations that are clearly stated in the initial report (or a draft > of this report) with a clear indication of the WG?s consensus level with > these recommendations. The WG shouldn't have two sets of conflicting > recommendations, and ask others to decide which set they like better. > That?s what the public comment period is for. This also provides an > opportunity for any members with a minority position to provide a minority > statement, which should be attached to the draft initial report and equally > accessible for community review. > > To send a draft with two completely conflicting set of recommendations > will only serve to confuse the readers/audience on what the consensus of > the WG members is, following months of dialogue on the advantages and > disadvantages of mandatory transformation. > > At this time, I believe the prudent course of action would be to determine > the consensus levels among the WG members for each of the two drafts > (Chris? latest draft and the one with the modifications made by Petter). > > Thanks. > > Amr > > On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Lars Hoffmann > wrote: > > Dear Emily, dear all, > > First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the > mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I > just wanted to lay out the groups? envisaged progress from now until after > LA to provide a little clarity where as are: > > *1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report.* > Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument ? one > supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact > information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, > one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending > mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different > sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus > community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion. > > *2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and > both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 > in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG?s face-to-face > meeting.* > Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing > views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback > on both sides of the argument. > > *3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report > will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51* > Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, > the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets > of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory > transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the > argument. > > *4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment > period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully > be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations.* > Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's > recommendations put forward in it Final Report ? which is no prejudiced by > the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report. > > Based on this, *I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft > Initial Report has been circulated *to gather further input/feedback from > their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community. > > If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to > me or Julie either on or off list. > > Many thanks and very best wishes, > Lars > > > > > From: Emily Taylor > Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 > To: Lars HOFFMANN > Cc: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" , > "Dillon, Chris" , "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" > > Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report > > Dear Petter > > Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. > > I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, > which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making > transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus > in the working group as far as I am aware. > > I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of > the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the > previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer > representation of opinions on the working group. > > The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries > and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in > group. > > You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs > of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is > particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of > transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. > > I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for > comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes > proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, > unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset > the consensus in the policy working group. > > Best wishes, > > > Emily. > > On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > >> Dear Petter, >> Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity >> on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft >> Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to >> re?edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, >> it might somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for >> review. >> Many thanks and best wishes, >> Lars >> >> >> From: Petter Rindforth >> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" < >> petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu> >> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 >> To: "Dillon, Chris" >> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" < >> gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org> >> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report >> >> Dear All, >> >> I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see >> enclosed). >> >> Best, >> Petter >> >> -- >> Petter Rindforth, LL M >> >> Fenix Legal KB >> Stureplan 4c, 4tr >> 114 35 Stockholm >> Sweden >> Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 >> Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 >> E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu >> www.fenixlegal.eu >> >> >> NOTICE >> This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals >> to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client >> privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this >> message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy >> or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it >> immediately and notify us by return e-mail. >> Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu >> Thank you >> >> 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw >> man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first >> version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. >> >> In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the >> list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo >> in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: *registrar* should read *registrant*. >> >> Regards, >> >> Chris. >> -- >> Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital >> Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int >> 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon >> >> *From:*owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [ >> mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org >> ] *On Behalf Of *Nathalie >> Peregrine >> *Sent:* 11 September 2014 21:44 >> *To:* gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org >> *Cc:* gnso-secs at icann.org >> *Subject:* [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration >> of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 >> >> Dear All, >> >> Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of >> Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September >> at 1300 UTC at: >> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 >> >> On page: >> >> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep >> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO >> Master Calendar page: >> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ >> >> *Attendees:* >> Chris Dillon ? NCSG >> Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual >> Peter Dernbach- IPC >> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC >> Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC >> Justine Chew- Individual >> Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC >> Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG >> Jennifer Chung ? RySG >> Wen Zhai - NTAG >> >> *Apologies: * >> Petter Rindforth ? IPC >> Jim Galvin ? SSAC >> Emily Taylor - RrSG >> >> *ICANN staff:* >> Julie Hedlund >> Lars Hoffmann >> Amy Bivins >> Glen de Saint Gery >> Nathalie Peregrine >> >> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** >> >> Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx >> >> Thank you. >> Kind regards, >> >> Nathalie >> GNSO Secretariat >> >> *Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:* >> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and >> Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th >> September 2014 >> Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! >> Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! >> Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? >> Chris Dillon:Hello all >> Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris >> Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone >> Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the >> document on the screen. >> Chris Dillon:Thanks >> Peter Dernbach:Hell all. >> Peter Dernbach:Hello all. >> Wen Zhai:Good evening~ >> Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! >> Wen Zhai::) >> Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor >> Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion >> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. >> Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? >> Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you >> mean "registrants". >> Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" >> Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact >> Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 >> Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 >> Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! >> Justine Chew:yes could be both >> Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 >> Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it >> and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? >> Rudi Vansnick:thank you all >> Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. >> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all >> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! >> Chris Dillon:Thank you. >> Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! >> >> >> > > > -- > Emily Taylor > > *MA(Cantab), MBA* > Director > > *Netistrar Limited* > 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | > M: +44 7540 049322 > E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com > > Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, > Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT > No. 190062332 > > > -- Emily Taylor *MA(Cantab), MBA* Director *Netistrar Limited* 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lars.hoffmann at icann.org Tue Sep 30 15:58:16 2014 From: lars.hoffmann at icann.org (Lars Hoffmann) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:58:16 +0000 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft Initial Report attached Message-ID: Hi Amr, Emily, all Thank your for your thoughts! And before I respond, please let me point out that I have attached a first version of the Draft Initial Report. Just a quick note clarifying my ?roadmap? from my original email and also addressing the important points that have been raised. Please note that this is a draft Initial Report. As such it is not yet ready to go for public comment and it is not intended to go out before (nor during) ICANN 51. The document is produced now so that WG members have a substantial draft to present and discuss in LA. The Group will continue discussing the draft on Thursday's call and in LA during its face-to-face meeting. Potentially, further feedback from the community might come forward and feed into further amendments following LA. Only then would it the Initial Report be put out for public comment. Because the Group is faced with a binary question, the idea was to provide clearly to the community both sides of the argument that have been discussed (for an against mandatory transformation) and also provide the two logical recommendations that flow from these different sides of the arguments: mandatory transformation; no mandatory transformation. This would be done to help encourage community feedback during the public comment period that follows the finalized Initial Report post ICANN51. Also, the PDP Manual does not prescribe a mandatory formal consensus level call be conducted for an Initial Report - though it is of course an option. This is to allow for differences among WGs depending on each group?s deliberations to date, such that the WG and its co?Chairs could decide not to determine consensus level at this stage, including on the basis that community feedback is important for informing the Final Report and the formal Consensus Call that will need to be done. In this way, relevant input from the public comment period will be assessed and fed into the Final Report that will only contain one set of recommendations, to be determined after the formal Consensus Call takes place. At that point, Minority Statement(s), if needed, can still be produced and attached to the Final Report. You may be interested to know that this approach was also recently followed for the IRTP-D and IGO-INGO PDP WGs. In any case, the Draft Initial Report is an amalgamation of Chris? straw man and Petter?s modified version and so maybe a decision on which way to move forward could be taken on Thursday when everybody had the chance to read though the document? I would be able to amend the document very quickly after Thursday?s call - based on the way forwarded decided by the WG membership. I hope this clarifies the thinking that went into producing the Draft Initial Report. Best wishes, Lars From: Emily Taylor Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 17:33 To: Amr Elsadr Cc: Lars HOFFMANN , "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" , "Dillon, Chris" , "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear all I agree with Amr's point of view. Is there a particular reason why we need to go back to Council at this point (I'm not particularly familiar with the process)? I was surprised by the recent edits because I had thought that the group was pretty comfortable about the position we were heading in. I must have been wrong there, and it is useful to surface the issues within the group and talk them through. I see this as a point where we need to work harder within the working group before going out to public comment (if I've understood the intent correctly) - not sure we're quite "ready for primetime" as the saying goes. Best Emily On 30 September 2014 15:05, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Hi Lars, > > Personally, I find this approach rather odd. The WG is the bottom of the > bottom-up policy development process. It?s supposed to make concrete > recommendations that are clearly stated in the initial report (or a draft of > this report) with a clear indication of the WG?s consensus level with these > recommendations. The WG shouldn't have two sets of conflicting > recommendations, and ask others to decide which set they like better. That?s > what the public comment period is for. This also provides an opportunity for > any members with a minority position to provide a minority statement, which > should be attached to the draft initial report and equally accessible for > community review. > > To send a draft with two completely conflicting set of recommendations will > only serve to confuse the readers/audience on what the consensus of the WG > members is, following months of dialogue on the advantages and disadvantages > of mandatory transformation. > > At this time, I believe the prudent course of action would be to determine the > consensus levels among the WG members for each of the two drafts (Chris? > latest draft and the one with the modifications made by Petter). > > Thanks. > > Amr > > On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > >> Dear Emily, dear all, >> >> First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing >> list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just >> wanted to lay out the groups? envisaged progress from now until after LA to >> provide a little clarity where as are: >> >> 1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report. >> Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument ? one >> supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. >> Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one >> recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory >> transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of >> recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community >> feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion. >> >> 2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both >> sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, >> and form the basis of the discussion for the WG?s face-to-face meeting. >> Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views >> among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both >> sides of the argument. >> >> 3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report >> will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51 >> Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the >> Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of >> recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to >> encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument. >> >> 4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, >> the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able >> to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations. >> Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's >> recommendations put forward in it Final Report ? which is no prejudiced by >> the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report. >> >> Based on this, I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial >> Report has been circulated to gather further input/feedback from their >> constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community. >> >> If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me >> or Julie either on or off list. >> >> Many thanks and very best wishes, >> Lars >> >> >> >> >> From: Emily Taylor >> Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 >> To: Lars HOFFMANN >> Cc: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" , >> "Dillon, Chris" , "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" >> >> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report >> >> Dear Petter >> >> Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. >> >> I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, >> which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making >> transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in >> the working group as far as I am aware. >> >> I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the >> stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous >> text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer >> representation of opinions on the working group. >> >> The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and >> registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. >> >> You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of >> transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly >> important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of >> transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. >> >> I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for >> comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed >> in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be >> acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in >> the policy working group. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> Emily. >> >> On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann wrote: >>> Dear Petter, >>> Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on >>> the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial >>> Report that we thought to send out to the Group today ? I hope to re?edit >>> the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might >>> somewhat delay the Draft Report?s completion and distribution for review. >>> Many thanks and best wishes, >>> Lars >>> >>> >>> From: Petter Rindforth >>> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" >>> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 >>> To: "Dillon, Chris" >>> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" >>> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see >>> enclosed). >>> >>> Best, >>> Petter >>> >>> -- >>> Petter Rindforth, LL M >>> >>> Fenix Legal KB >>> Stureplan 4c, 4tr >>> 114 35 Stockholm >>> Sweden >>> Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 >>> Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 >>> E-mail: petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu >>> www.fenixlegal.eu >>> >>> >>> NOTICE >>> This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to >>> whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged >>> information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not >>> the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it >>> or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and >>> notify us by return e-mail. >>> Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu >>> Thank you >>> >>> 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris skrev: >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man >>>> (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of >>>> which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. >>>> >>>> In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. >>>> Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in >>>> paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> -- >>>> Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, >>>> UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 >>>> (int 31599) >>>> www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon >>>> >>>> >>>> From:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org >>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie >>>> Peregrine >>>> Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 >>>> To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org >>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org >>>> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of >>>> Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of >>>> Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at >>>> 1300 UTC at: >>>> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 >>>> >>>> On page: >>>> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep >>>> >>>> >>>> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO >>>> Master Calendar page: >>>> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ >>>> >>>> Attendees: >>>> Chris Dillon ? NCSG >>>> Ubolthip Sethakaset ? Individual >>>> Peter Dernbach- IPC >>>> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC >>>> Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC >>>> Justine Chew- Individual >>>> Rudi Vansnick ? NPOC >>>> Lindsay Hamilton Reid ? RrSG >>>> Jennifer Chung ? RySG >>>> Wen Zhai - NTAG >>>> >>>> Apologies: >>>> Petter Rindforth ? IPC >>>> Jim Galvin ? SSAC >>>> Emily Taylor - RrSG >>>> >>>> ICANN staff: >>>> Julie Hedlund >>>> Lars Hoffmann >>>> Amy Bivins >>>> Glen de Saint Gery >>>> Nathalie Peregrine >>>> >>>> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** >>>> >>>> Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Nathalie >>>> GNSO Secretariat >>>> >>>> Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: >>>> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and >>>> Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th >>>> September 2014 >>>> Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! >>>> Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! >>>> Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? >>>> Chris Dillon:Hello all >>>> Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris >>>> Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone >>>> Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document >>>> on the screen. >>>> Chris Dillon:Thanks >>>> Peter Dernbach:Hell all. >>>> Peter Dernbach:Hello all. >>>> Wen Zhai:Good evening~ >>>> Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! >>>> Wen Zhai::) >>>> Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor >>>> Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion >>>> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. >>>> Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? >>>> Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you >>>> mean "registrants". >>>> Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" >>>> Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact >>>> Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 >>>> Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 >>>> Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! >>>> Justine Chew:yes could be both >>>> Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 >>>> Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and >>>> qualify if it is not within the WG scope? >>>> Rudi Vansnick:thank you all >>>> Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. >>>> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all >>>> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! >>>> Chris Dillon:Thank you. >>>> Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! >>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Emily Taylor >> MA(Cantab), MBA >> Director >> >> Netistrar Limited >> 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 >> | M: +44 7540 049322 >> E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com >> >> >> Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, >> Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. 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Although this section is not technically inaccurate, it is only because a consensus call on the sets of recommendations hasn?t been requested by the WG chairs. That could be remedied. Some more comments in line below: On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > Hi Amr, Emily, all > > Thank your for your thoughts! And before I respond, please let me point out that I have attached a first version of the Draft Initial Report. > > Just a quick note clarifying my ?roadmap? from my original email and also addressing the important points that have been raised. > > Please note that this is a draft Initial Report. As such it is not yet ready to go for public comment and it is not intended to go out before (nor during) ICANN 51. The document is produced now so that WG members have a substantial draft to present and discuss in LA. The Group will continue discussing the draft on Thursday's call and in LA during its face-to-face meeting. Potentially, further feedback from the community might come forward and feed into further amendments following LA. Only then would it the Initial Report be put out for public comment. Thanks. That sounds great. > Because the Group is faced with a binary question, the idea was to provide clearly to the community both sides of the argument that have been discussed (for an against mandatory transformation) and also provide the two logical recommendations that flow from these different sides of the arguments: mandatory transformation; no mandatory transformation. This would be done to help encourage community feedback during the public comment period that follows the finalized Initial Report post ICANN51. Presenting the pros and cons of policy findings in a WG report does not preclude defining a current consensus level. This was done, for example, with the initial and final reports of the ?thick? WHOIS PDP WG (http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/thick-whois). > Also, the PDP Manual does not prescribe a mandatory formal consensus level call be conducted for an Initial Report - though it is of course an option. This is to allow for differences among WGs depending on each group?s deliberations to date, such that the WG and its co?Chairs could decide not to determine consensus level at this stage, including on the basis that community feedback is important for informing the Final Report and the formal Consensus Call that will need to be done. In this way, relevant input from the public comment period will be assessed and fed into the Final Report that will only contain one set of recommendations, to be determined after the formal Consensus Call takes place. At that point, Minority Statement(s), if needed, can still be produced and attached to the Final Report. You may be interested to know that this approach was also recently followed for the IRTP-D and IGO-INGO PDP WGs. True. A consensus level at this stage is not required and only a tentative one, which may change following the public comment period. Still, it is informative and helpful to the community on where the WG members stand as a result of the work that has been done. Like I said, this was included in both reports of the ?thick? WHOIS PDP WG referred to above. > In any case, the Draft Initial Report is an amalgamation of Chris? straw man and Petter?s modified version and so maybe a decision on which way to move forward could be taken on Thursday when everybody had the chance to read though the document? I would be able to amend the document very quickly after Thursday?s call - based on the way forwarded decided by the WG membership. Thanks again to the drafters, and thanks to you, Lars, for your willingness to accommodate our shifting requests. :) Amr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emily.taylor at netistrar.com Tue Sep 30 17:42:25 2014 From: emily.taylor at netistrar.com (Emily Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:42:25 +0100 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft Initial Report attached In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there I'd like to echo Amr's thanks to Chris, Lars and the team. I would also welcome some level of information about the consensus level at this stage. It would be helpful to those commenting (as Amr has pointed out). I think it would also help us as a working group to try to articulate and understand the range of opinions within the group. Best Emily On 30 September 2014 17:52, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the work on the document, Lars, Chris and everyone involved in > bringing it together. I still feel that a consensus level should be > determined on each set of alternative recommendations, and included in the > draft report. Part of reporting a working group?s progress at this stage > should be reporting to the public where the WG participants stand. So > again, I ask that we determine these consensus levels and replace the > findings with the observation made on page 14 under ?Current state of > discussion?. Although this section is not technically inaccurate, it is > only because a consensus call on the sets of recommendations hasn?t been > requested by the WG chairs. That could be remedied. > > Some more comments in line below: > > On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Lars Hoffmann > wrote: > > Hi Amr, Emily, all > > > Thank your for your thoughts! And before I respond, please let me point > out that I have attached a first version of the Draft Initial Report. > > > Just a quick note clarifying my ?roadmap? from my original email and also > addressing the important points that have been raised. > > > Please note that this is a draft Initial Report. As such it is not yet > ready to go for public comment and it is not intended to go out before (nor > during) ICANN 51. The document is produced now so that WG members have a > substantial draft to present and discuss in LA. The Group will continue > discussing the draft on Thursday's call and in LA during its face-to-face > meeting. Potentially, further feedback from the community might come > forward and feed into further amendments following LA. Only then would it > the Initial Report be put out for public comment. > > > Thanks. That sounds great. > > Because the Group is faced with a binary question, the idea was to provide > clearly to the community both sides of the argument that have been > discussed (for an against mandatory transformation) and also provide the > two logical recommendations that flow from these different sides of the > arguments: mandatory transformation; no mandatory transformation. This > would be done to help encourage community feedback during the public > comment period that follows the finalized Initial Report post ICANN51. > > > Presenting the pros and cons of policy findings in a WG report does not > preclude defining a current consensus level. This was done, for example, > with the initial and final reports of the ?thick? WHOIS PDP WG ( > http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/thick-whois). > > Also, the PDP Manual does not prescribe a mandatory formal consensus level > call be conducted for an Initial Report - though it is of course an option. > This is to allow for differences among WGs depending on each group?s > deliberations to date, such that the WG and its co?Chairs could decide not > to determine consensus level at this stage, including on the basis that > community feedback is important for informing the Final Report and the > formal Consensus Call that will need to be done. In this way, relevant > input from the public comment period will be assessed and fed into the > Final Report that will only contain one set of recommendations, to be > determined after the formal Consensus Call takes place. At that point, > Minority Statement(s), if needed, can still be produced and attached to the > Final Report. You may be interested to know that this approach was also > recently followed for the IRTP-D and IGO-INGO PDP WGs. > > > True. A consensus level at this stage is not required and only a tentative > one, which may change following the public comment period. Still, it is > informative and helpful to the community on where the WG members stand as a > result of the work that has been done. Like I said, this was included in > both reports of the ?thick? WHOIS PDP WG referred to above. > > In any case, the Draft Initial Report is an amalgamation of Chris? straw > man and Petter?s modified version and so maybe a decision on which way to > move forward could be taken on Thursday when everybody had the chance to > read though the document? I would be able to amend the document very > quickly after Thursday?s call - based on the way forwarded decided by the > WG membership. > > > Thanks again to the drafters, and thanks to you, Lars, for your > willingness to accommodate our shifting requests. :) > > Amr > > > -- Emily Taylor *MA(Cantab), MBA* Director *Netistrar Limited* 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lars.hoffmann at icann.org Tue Sep 30 19:57:13 2014 From: lars.hoffmann at icann.org (Lars Hoffmann) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:57:13 +0000 Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft Initial Report attached In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, If I may chip in one more time. If there remains doubt about whether or not to make a consensus call for the Initial Report (and this does not have to be decided until after LA), one option could be to take a feel of the room and see who would support which set of recommendations. Based on that the Group could then add to the Initial Report that a small/large majority supports this recommendation and a small/large minority supports this other set. Maybe something else to discuss on Thursday?s call. Very best, Lars From: Emily Taylor Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:42 To: Amr Elsadr Cc: Lars HOFFMANN , "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" , "Dillon, Chris" , "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org" Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft Initial Report attached Hi there I'd like to echo Amr's thanks to Chris, Lars and the team. I would also welcome some level of information about the consensus level at this stage. It would be helpful to those commenting (as Amr has pointed out). I think it would also help us as a working group to try to articulate and understand the range of opinions within the group. Best Emily On 30 September 2014 17:52, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the work on the document, Lars, Chris and everyone involved in > bringing it together. I still feel that a consensus level should be determined > on each set of alternative recommendations, and included in the draft report. > Part of reporting a working group?s progress at this stage should be reporting > to the public where the WG participants stand. So again, I ask that we > determine these consensus levels and replace the findings with the observation > made on page 14 under ?Current state of discussion?. Although this section is > not technically inaccurate, it is only because a consensus call on the sets of > recommendations hasn?t been requested by the WG chairs. That could be > remedied. > > Some more comments in line below: > > On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Lars Hoffmann wrote: > >> Hi Amr, Emily, all >> >> Thank your for your thoughts! And before I respond, please let me point out >> that I have attached a first version of the Draft Initial Report. >> >> Just a quick note clarifying my ?roadmap? from my original email and also >> addressing the important points that have been raised. >> >> Please note that this is a draft Initial Report. As such it is not yet ready >> to go for public comment and it is not intended to go out before (nor during) >> ICANN 51. The document is produced now so that WG members have a substantial >> draft to present and discuss in LA. The Group will continue discussing the >> draft on Thursday's call and in LA during its face-to-face meeting. >> Potentially, further feedback from the community might come forward and feed >> into further amendments following LA. Only then would it the Initial Report >> be put out for public comment. > > Thanks. That sounds great. > >> Because the Group is faced with a binary question, the idea was to provide >> clearly to the community both sides of the argument that have been discussed >> (for an against mandatory transformation) and also provide the two logical >> recommendations that flow from these different sides of the arguments: >> mandatory transformation; no mandatory transformation. This would be done to >> help encourage community feedback during the public comment period that >> follows the finalized Initial Report post ICANN51. > > Presenting the pros and cons of policy findings in a WG report does not > preclude defining a current consensus level. This was done, for example, with > the initial and final reports of the ?thick? WHOIS PDP WG > (http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/thick-whois). > >> Also, the PDP Manual does not prescribe a mandatory formal consensus level >> call be conducted for an Initial Report - though it is of course an option. >> This is to allow for differences among WGs depending on each group?s >> deliberations to date, such that the WG and its co?Chairs could decide not to >> determine consensus level at this stage, including on the basis that >> community feedback is important for informing the Final Report and the formal >> Consensus Call that will need to be done. In this way, relevant input from >> the public comment period will be assessed and fed into the Final Report that >> will only contain one set of recommendations, to be determined after the >> formal Consensus Call takes place. At that point, Minority Statement(s), if >> needed, can still be produced and attached to the Final Report. You may be >> interested to know that this approach was also recently followed for the >> IRTP-D and IGO-INGO PDP WGs. > > True. A consensus level at this stage is not required and only a tentative > one, which may change following the public comment period. Still, it is > informative and helpful to the community on where the WG members stand as a > result of the work that has been done. Like I said, this was included in both > reports of the ?thick? WHOIS PDP WG referred to above. > >> In any case, the Draft Initial Report is an amalgamation of Chris? straw man >> and Petter?s modified version and so maybe a decision on which way to move >> forward could be taken on Thursday when everybody had the chance to read >> though the document? I would be able to amend the document very quickly after >> Thursday?s call - based on the way forwarded decided by the WG membership. > > Thanks again to the drafters, and thanks to you, Lars, for your willingness to > accommodate our shifting requests. :) > > Amr > > -- Emily Taylor MA(Cantab), MBA Director Netistrar Limited 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor at netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5080 bytes Desc: not available URL: