From aelsadr at egyptig.org  Wed May 11 16:52:47 2016
From: aelsadr at egyptig.org (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 18:52:47 +0200
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Fwd: Memo to GNSO re: bundling Translation and Transliteration into Thick WHOIS IRT
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Hi,

I thought this may be of interest to folks on this list. The GNSO Council will begin considering bundling the implementation of T/T with the consistent labelling and display track of ?thick? WHOIS. You may be interested to read the memo written by GDD staff on this proposal. It should be attached to this email.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Amr

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
> Subject: Fwd: Memo to GNSO re: bundling Translation and Transliteration into Thick WHOIS IRT
> Date: May 10, 2016 at 9:38:36 PM GMT+2
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In preparation for item 8 on Thursday?s Council meeting agenda, I am forwarding a memo developed by GDD staff, and addressed to the GNSO Council, outlining the rationale and preliminary community feedback to the proposal of merging the implementation of the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP recommendations with the Consistent Labelling and Display track of the ?thick? WHOIS implementation process currently underway.
> 
> I hope you will find this informative. I can take any questions or comments from the Council back to the IRT. Of course, you can also direct those to Cyrus and Francisco during their briefing to us on the topic in two days.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Amr
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Brian Aitchison <brian.aitchison at icann.org <mailto:brian.aitchison at icann.org>>
>> Subject: Memo to GNSO re: bundling Translation and Transliteration into Thick WHOIS IRT
>> Date: May 10, 2016 at 9:04:29 PM GMT+2
>> To: "aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>" <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>
>> Cc: Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>, Francisco Arias <francisco.arias at icann.org <mailto:francisco.arias at icann.org>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, "Karen Lentz" <karen.lentz at icann.org <mailto:karen.lentz at icann.org>>, Krista Papac <krista.papac at icann.org <mailto:krista.papac at icann.org>>, "Lars Hoffmann" <lars.hoffmann at icann.org <mailto:lars.hoffmann at icann.org>>
>> 
>> Dear Amr,
>> 
>> I am the GDD lead for the Translation and Transliteration implementation project, and am sending you the attached memo on behalf of Fabien Betremieux to forward to the GNSO Council for their consideration at their meeting on Thursday, 12 May. 
>> 
>> As you have discussed with him, the memo concerns the proposal to merge the implementation of the T/T project into the work stream of the Thick WHOIS IRT. 
>> 
>> You can find all the relevant details in the memo itself. Please let me know if you have any questions. Otherwise, on behalf of GDD Staff, we thank you for forwarding it to the GNSO Council ahead of their Thursday meeting. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Brian Aitchison
>> 
>> 
>> Brian Aitchison, PhD
>> Lead Researcher
>> Operations & Policy Research
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>> Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536
>> p.  310.301.8688
>> m. 424.353.9041
>> e. brian.aitchison at icann.org <mailto:brian.aitchison at icann.org>
>> w. www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org/>
>> 
> 
>>  linkedin.com/in/baitchison <http://linkedin.com/in/baitchison>
>> 
> 
>> twitter.com/BrianAitch <http://twitter.com/BrianAitch>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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From aelsadr at egyptig.org  Thu May 12 15:36:42 2016
From: aelsadr at egyptig.org (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 17:36:42 +0200
Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Memo to GNSO re: bundling Translation and Transliteration into Thick WHOIS IRT
In-Reply-To: <59d49f8a-c5be-1848-eb97-efeb9983a101@ucl.ac.uk>
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Hi Chris,

There are some in the ?thick? whois Implementation Review Team (IRT) who share your concerns regarding delays in implementation as a result of bundling. However, their concerns are with delays in implementing ?thick? whois, not T/T!! :)

My understanding is that it would make more practical sense to implement them along side each other, instead of working across each other. This is especially true, since the roll-out of RDAP is already bundled with ?thick? whois. It would also be the same contracted parties implementing both policies one way or the other, wouldn?t it? Unless I?m missing something.

Regarding your second concern, there is a good reason why there is no precedent to merging two implementation IRTs, and that?s because IRTs are relatively new anyway. In fact, the details and principles that govern implementation of policies, and the roles of IRTs were only recently developed by the GNSO Policy and Implementation Working Group, and resulted in major changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures, including formalising the roles of IRTs. So I wouldn?t be too worried regarding the lack of precedents. :)

Just some thoughts.

Thanks.

Amr

> On May 12, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Chris Dillon <ccaacdi at ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear Amr,
> 
> Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
> 
> I am one of the cautious voices mentioned below. This is because it is important that T&T recommendations do not get lost in something large and possibly slow. This argument was picked up in the document.
> 
> I also heard a concern in an area where I have little expertise - that there is no precedent for such a merger. Having worked in large British organizations for many years, I know that such things tend to cause procedural delay and it would be worth it to flag this aspect up.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On 11/05/2016 17:52, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I thought this may be of interest to folks on this list. The GNSO Council will begin considering bundling the implementation of T/T with the consistent labelling and display track of ?thick? WHOIS. You may be interested to read the memo written by GDD staff on this proposal. It should be attached to this email.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Amr
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Amr Elsadr < <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>
>>> Subject: Fwd: Memo to GNSO re: bundling Translation and Transliteration into Thick WHOIS IRT
>>> Date: May 10, 2016 at 9:38:36 PM GMT+2
>>> To: GNSO Council List < <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In preparation for item 8 on Thursday?s Council meeting agenda, I am forwarding a memo developed by GDD staff, and addressed to the GNSO Council, outlining the rationale and preliminary community feedback to the proposal of merging the implementation of the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP recommendations with the Consistent Labelling and Display track of the ?thick? WHOIS implementation process currently underway.
>>> 
>>> I hope you will find this informative. I can take any questions or comments from the Council back to the IRT. Of course, you can also direct those to Cyrus and Francisco during their briefing to us on the topic in two days.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Amr
>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Brian Aitchison < <mailto:brian.aitchison at icann.org>brian.aitchison at icann.org <mailto:brian.aitchison at icann.org>>
>>>> Subject: Memo to GNSO re: bundling Translation and Transliteration into Thick WHOIS IRT
>>>> Date: May 10, 2016 at 9:04:29 PM GMT+2
>>>> To: "aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>" <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>
>>>> Cc: Fabien Betremieux < <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>, Francisco Arias <francisco.arias at icann.org <mailto:francisco.arias at icann.org>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, "Karen Lentz" <karen.lentz at icann.org <mailto:karen.lentz at icann.org>>, Krista Papac <krista.papac at icann.org <mailto:krista.papac at icann.org>>, "Lars Hoffmann" <lars.hoffmann at icann.org <mailto:lars.hoffmann at icann.org>>
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Amr,
>>>> 
>>>> I am the GDD lead for the Translation and Transliteration implementation project, and am sending you the attached memo on behalf of Fabien Betremieux to forward to the GNSO Council for their consideration at their meeting on Thursday, 12 May. 
>>>> 
>>>> As you have discussed with him, the memo concerns the proposal to merge the implementation of the T/T project into the work stream of the Thick WHOIS IRT. 
>>>> 
>>>> You can find all the relevant details in the memo itself. Please let me know if you have any questions. Otherwise, on behalf of GDD Staff, we thank you for forwarding it to the GNSO Council ahead of their Thursday meeting. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Brian Aitchison
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Brian Aitchison, PhD
>>>> Lead Researcher
>>>> Operations & Policy Research
>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536
>>>> p.  310.301.8688
>>>> m. 424.353.9041
>>>> e.  <mailto:brian.aitchison at icann.org>brian.aitchison at icann.org <mailto:brian.aitchison at icann.org>
>>>> w. www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org/>

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