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<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">The next </span><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 15px;">Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team is scheduled for Thursday 23 January 2014 at 1400 UTC</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 16 January 2014 at 1400 UTC:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px;"> </span></p><span style="font-size: 15px;"><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140116-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140116-en.mp3</a><br></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px;"> </span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><font color="#0000ff"><u><span lang="FR"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 15px;"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</a>jan</span></span></u></font></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;">Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><font color="#0000ff">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</font></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><u><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;">Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Wanawit Ahkuputra Individual</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;">Peter Dernbach - IPC</span></p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Chris Dillon - NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Amr Elsadr NCUC</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Jim Galvin SSAC</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Sarmad Hussain No SOI</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Yoav Keren RrSG</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Pitinan Koarmornpatna Individual</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Patrick Lenihan - NCUC</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Petter Rindforth - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Rudi Vansnick NPOC</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Mae Suchayapim Siriwat No SOI</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Jennifer Chung - No SOI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Peter Green - No SOI</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><u>Apologies:</u><u> </u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Ephraim Kenyanito - NCUC</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px;"> </span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><u style="font-size: 15px;">ICANN staff:</u></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Lars Hoffman</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Steve Sheng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Julia Charvolen</span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">** Please let me know if your name has been le<span lang="FR">ft off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><span lang="FR" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "> Wiki page:</span><font color="#0000ff"><span lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx">http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx</a></span></font><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><span lang="FR"></span></b><span lang="FR" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;">Julia Charvolen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;">For GNSO Secretariat<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><u>Adobe Chat </u><u>Transcript for <b>Thursday 16th January 2013:</b></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 12pt; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the T&T PDP Working Group onThursday 16 January 2014</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Hi. Dialling in now.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hi working group</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:Hi everyone.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Jennifer Chung:Hello all</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Green-CONAC:Hi all</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Hi. I should be on the call now, but can't hear anything.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Chris Dillon:Hello, all</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:yes i can hear you</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Thnx Julia. :)</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Julia Charvolen:Sure :)</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:hello all</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:sorry for being a bit late ;-)</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann:Morning all. Julie will not be joining as you might recall. Should we start the call?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Hi Rudi. It doesn't look like we've started yet.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Chris Dillon:Let's start</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:go ahead Chris</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Julia Charvolen:Steve Sheng joined the phone bridge</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:I updated my SOI</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:I mean I successfully uploaded my SOI</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:there have been updates doen in the past week I thought</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Petter Rindforth:can you show page 1 of this again?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:sorry i was silent as I was still in another meeting</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Julia Charvolen:Yoav Keren joined the Adobe Connect</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Petter Rindforth:yes</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Yoav Keren:hi all</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Julia Charvolen:Sarmad Hussain joined the phone bridge</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: +1</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Hey Yoav. Hope you're well.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:will be very helpful</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:we need to decide anyway next week</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:+1</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:let's put it on the wiki perhaps</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:i copied the text into a local notepβd, so eventually i can send it to the list just after the call</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: + 1</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:Sorry. got dropped off th line. I wanted to add that we can always send out additional letters in case additional questions come up and/or we would like further details from other SG/C or AC/SO</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:Lars can you put on the list of questions of last week call</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars, but I would recommend we give the WG at least a week after getting an initial draft of the letter to suggest edits. Getting feedback once is sometimes challenging. Asking for a second round of feedback might be quite ambitious. :)</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:What is contact information (review and expand on the taxonomies noted above)?Why are we doing this?; is this particular feature necessary?Who gets access to what?Who are the stakeholders?; who is affected? and what do they want (linking back to What)?How much would a particular feature cost?When would policy come into effect?What should be mandatory?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:Thank you Rudi - my internet is rather slow here.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Where are these questions on the Wiki? The page for questions and taxonomies appears blank.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:Who are the stakeholders?; who is affected? and what do they want (linking back to What)?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:Finally, staff have created wiki pages for each of the proposed questions. These will be filled in as information is added:1. What is contact information & What Taxonomies are Available?2. Why are we doing this? Is this particular feature necessary?3. Who gets access to what information?4. Who are the stakeholders? Who is affected and what do they want?5. How much would a particular feature cost and how to weigh the costs versus the benefits?6. When would policy come into effect?7. What should be mandatory?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:Here are the URLs from the questions</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/09+January+2014">https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/09+January+2014</a></div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44958769">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44958769</a></div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960108">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960108</a></div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960114">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960114</a></div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44958769">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44958769</a></div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Ah..., thanks Rudi.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:+1</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Sarmad Hussain: cost of T&T depends on accuracy requirements</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:Jim do you have any information to add to the stakeholders definition ?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Sarmad Hussain:so as a precursor we need to determine what level of accuracy is needed</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:@Sarmad: accuracy requirements depend on some RAA specs like validation.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Sarmad Hussain:do RAAs have any specs on T&T validation?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Not specific to T&T, but validation of contact info in the whois.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Sarmad Hussain:their requirements are mostly on original lang data validation</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Jim Galvin:@rudi not at this time</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:FYI - i just updated the question page:<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960091">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960091</a></div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Yes Chris..., very true. The WG could recommend that it is not desirable to have a policy requiring T&T.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:I agree Chris. :)</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:I wouldn't mind discussions that would lead to me changing my mind though. :)</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> WANAWIT Ahkuputra:Fully agree on the GAC role regaridng that issue</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:I agree on trying to solicit opinions from GAC.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:exactly Lars, we need to have a small slot to discuss this with GAC</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:in Singapore</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Sarmad Hussain:+1 on GAC role</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 on GAC role</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars. Perhaps a customized letter to the GAC asking for individual responses from GAC members.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Sarmad Hussain:+1 on discussion with GAC in sg</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:And wouldn't the NSO be covered in the regular AC/SO letter?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:@ Amr +1 re: requesting individual responses</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> WANAWIT Ahkuputra:I could help in laise and explain to GAC members.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Wanawit.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:what about other stakeholders ?</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:Thanks Wanawit.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:@Amr - i think that is great idea. and the NSP would be covered too. But again they do not always provide coordinated feedback, so reaching out to individual NSO members might be very useful too.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:additional to that , for the Thai GAC team, we actually in the process to make paper regarding to this will share with the WG soon, probably before the next meeting for the Thai Addressing System</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:GNSO Staff could also reach out to both NSO and GAC staff, if you think tha tmight be useful</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars. That sounds great.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:There are ongoing attempts between the gnso council and GAC to increase early participation in the GNSO's PDP. This WG might make for an interesting case study.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:@Amr - i think the Policy and Implementation Working Group has also already tried to do some more targetted outreach to the GAC so we could compare notes with that Group on their approach/success too.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Petter Rindforth:I can reach out to FICPI - intl IP-attorney organization, just to get their inputs</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:@Lars: right you are. There are some GAC members who are on that WG who are also trying to help.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:there is a GNSO call next week, we could launch the question in that meeting</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> WANAWIT Ahkuputra:UPU - Universal Postal Union and UNGEGN - United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names are impotant stake holder that relate to the address system</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Probably not the forum for this, although the WG liaison to the council could bring up that atteptes are being made to get GAC feedback.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:I think you are right, Amr</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: we can ask our NCSG councillors to add this question to the meeting</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Lars posted the questions on number "4". :)</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:Names also affect addresses in Arabic, because most street names (at least in Egypt) are named after people.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Green-CONAC:In Chinese, we also have names of streets named after a person's name</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:i'm just wondering how some registrars are handling these problems when they register a domain name in the actual whois</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:they have to translate anyway</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Dernbach:Thank you Chris and all!</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:due to my travels i might send actions items and other information late on friday or early on monday. i hope that is ok.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Amr Elsadr:thanks Chris and Rudi. Thanks everyone.</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Green-CONAC:Thanks Chris, and thanks all</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Lars Hoffmann 2:thanks everybody!</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Jim Galvin:thx and bye</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Peter Green-CONAC:bye</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks Christ and all , bye</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Jennifer Chung:Thank you all!</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> WANAWIT Ahkuputra:Thanks Chris and All Sawasdee</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Julia Charvolen:Recordings are stopped</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Chris Dillon:Goodbye, all</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:see you all next week !</div><div style="font-size: medium; "> Rudi Vansnick:enjoy the rest of the week</div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br></div></p></div></div></body></html>