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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thank you for sharing the recordings and sorry for not being
able to make to the call. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Listening to the recording, regarding the excellent discussion
by Chris on transliteration inaccuracies, I would like to contribute two terminology
words and a comment specifically in the context of the discussion around Krung
Thep and Bangkok (in which Bangkok is being recommended during the call).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>United Nation Group of Experts on Geographic Names (UNGEGN)
suggests the following relevant terminology:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.5in;line-height:150%'><b>Exonym</b> is the name
used in a specific language for a geographical feature situated outside the
area where that language has official status, and differing in its form from
the name used in the official language or languages of the area where the
geographical feature is situated. Examples: Warsaw is the English exonym for
Warszawa; Londres is French for London; Mailand is German for Milano. The
officially romanized endonym Moskva for Москва is not an exonym, nor is the
Pinyin form Beijing, while Peking is an exonym. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.5in;line-height:150%'><b>Endonym</b> is the
name of a geographical feature in one of the languages occurring in that area
where the feature is situated. Examples: Vārānasī (not Benares); Aachen (not
Aix-la-Chapelle); Krung Thep (not Bangkok); al-Uqşur (not Luxor); Teverya (not
Tiberias).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And in addition, please note that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.5in;line-height:150%'><i>The United Nations
recommends minimizing the use of exonyms in international usage</i><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thus, Bangkok is not the recommended form by the UN. The same
applies to other examples from Taiwan discussed in the call, where transliteration/pinyin
is recommended by the UN instead of the popular romanized versions. Thus, if
we want to keep Bangkok (over the transliteration) we may want to document
clear reasons why we want to diverge from this recommendation. Or other
possibility is that we stick to the UN recommendation and use the
transliterated forms (as this may be more consistent for all city names even if
it means some names may not be in their popular exonyms).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<br>
Sarmad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org
[mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Terri
Agnew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration
of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 06 March 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear
All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><br>
</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Please find the MP3
recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP
Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 06 March
at 14:00 UTC at:<span style='color:#1F497D'><br>
</span></span><a
href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140306-en.mp3"><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140306-en.mp3</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On
page: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><a
href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar"><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The
recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span lang=FR
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span
lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><u><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Galvin
- SSAC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ahkuputra
Wanawit <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> GAC<span style='color:#1F497D'><br>
</span>Mae Suchayapim Siriwat <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> GAC<br>
Peter Green - NCUC<br>
Petter Rindforth – IPC<br>
Rudi Vansnick – NPCO <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris
Dillon – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Pitinan
Kooarmornpatana – GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jennifer
Chung - RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Wolf-Ulrich
Knoben – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amr Elsadar
– NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Vinay Kumar
Singh – <span style='background:white'>Individual</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Peter
Dernbach - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Apologies:
</span></u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>
Justine Chew – At-Large<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ephriam
Percy Kenyanito – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ICANN
staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Julie
Hedlund<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amy
Bivins<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Glen
de Saint Gery<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Lars
Hoffman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Terri
Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>**
Please let me know if your name has been le</span><span lang=FR
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ft off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> Wiki page:</span><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx"><span lang=FR
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx</span></a><b><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span lang=FR
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Terri
Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>GNSO
Secretariat <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org"><span
lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=FR
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org"><span lang=FR
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://gnso.icann.org</span></a><span
lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Adobe Chat </span></u><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Transcript for <b>Thursday 06 March 2014:</b><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Translation and
Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group on Thursday 06 March
2014<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Hello, all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hello<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:Hello everyone!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green-CONAC:Hi, all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> VINAY KUMAR SINGH:Hi<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:hu everyone <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Dernbach:Hello everyone.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Wanawit Ahkuputra:Sawasdee <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Jennifer Chung:Hi all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Hi all. Dialling in now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Mae Suchayapim Siriwat:hello<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Wolf Knoben has joined<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Wolf Knoben:Hello all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/x/bgDRAg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I can try to see if I can go
to the URL and share my screen.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi
Vansnick:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47251566/SO-AC%20.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1392913027000&api=v2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Jim Galvin has joined audio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:sorry wrong link <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I can't seem to find the final
draft submitted by ALAC now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:https://community.icann.org/x/bgDRAg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:it is at the bottom of the page ... <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:exact<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:sorry .. i was also on another tel
call ... available now<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:multi-tasking OK
multi-listening not OK ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: I don't see why
tranlation/transliteration would help manage the relationship between
registrars and registrants?? How does that help?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: in case of detailed
information if issues are poping up with their domain name <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Lars Hoffmann:Just to remind the Group that
the outcome of the EWG will form the basis for a subsequent GNSO PDP (see
also <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/rds">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/rds</a>)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 to Peter & Amr <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Dernbach:+1 @Amr<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Why do registrars need this info
translated/transliterated to deal with popping up issues? I still don't see the
association.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:if the registrar is not fro msame
region and can not read the IDN data <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Registrars are not required
to provide services in all languages. If they do, it's up to them to be able to
communicate with their customers. However, why would a registrar in Korea
providing services in Korean for a Korean IDN be required to translate contact
information??<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Just as an example?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Sorry, but which question are
we on?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:@AMR : 6 now<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Is this a final ALAC statement? It
doesn't seem to be.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:That comment makes no sense to me!!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:@Amr : this is quite a normal
reaction from the EC <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:protecting the user/consumer is
at high level of priority<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:especially by commissioner Kroes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Although I don't agree with the Thai
GAC rep's comment, it does make sense as an opinion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:i will have to leave the call 5
minutes befor ethe hour as I'm chairing another call just after <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Just that i agree with Kathy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I would like to get input from
registrars on this topic. They have far more experience than anyone else does
on verification/validation practices.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:The suggestion would be
each local language would need to most proper reference to refer to <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:If I'm not mistaken, the UPU
addressing system is the standard for display of addresses in the 2013 RAA.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Just for the formatting.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I agree that it is cumbersome.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Especially if there will be a policy
for tranlation/transliteration.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Dernbach:Thanks Chris, Rudi and All!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thank you all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks all <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Thank you all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> Mae Suchayapim Siriwat:thank you<o:p></o:p></p>
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