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</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Galvin - SSAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ahkuputra Wanawit <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> GAC<span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span>Mae Suchayapim Siriwat <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> GAC<br>Peter Green - NCUC<br>Petter Rindforth – IPC<br>Rudi Vansnick – NPCO <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris Dillon – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jennifer Chung - RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Wolf-Ulrich Knoben – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amr Elsadar – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ephriam Percy Kenyanito – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Apologies: </span></u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>Justine Chew – At-Large<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Peter Dernbach – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ICANN staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Julie Hedlund<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amy Bivins<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Glen de Saint Gery<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Lars Hoffman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been le</span><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ft off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> Wiki page:</span><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx"><span lang=FR style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx</span></a><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span lang=FR 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class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span>Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group on Thursday 13 March 2014<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:ruudisoc = skypeid<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:no problem for me on Sunday<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin:still on hold waiting to be connected....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Hello, all!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hello Chris, Hello all! <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin:now on the call<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Wolf Knoben has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Dialling in now.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Amr Elsadar has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/List+of+correspondence+received<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:use full screen Julie <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:The NCSG response is not listed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Still have no audio. Waiting for operator.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:i only see a cursor moving around<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Amr will get op on this<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Petter Rindforth:Can*t see anything on the screen?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Terri.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Just joined the call, but have a blank screen with a cursor floating around in the AC room.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:@Amr : indeed<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:use th elink to the page <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/List+of+correspondence+received">https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/List+of+correspondence+received</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:I went into full screen and I'm not sure why it's not showing<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Haha. So it's not just me. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Rudi.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:Unfortunately when I am showing the screen then I cannot read the chat room -- so I apologize for not realizing that you couldn't see the screen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:I've stopped sharing for now.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:@Chris -- the share screen doesn't seem to be working. I suggest that you send the links.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Wasn't the NCSG response sent in?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:I can try sharing again, but I don't know if it will work.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960108<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:Can you see the screen?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:This time?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:we see your screen with the adobe, not the shared one<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:Sorry -- not sure why it's not working<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:I'll try something else.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Screen sharing is working now.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lars Hoffmann:I'll send it out right now<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lars Hoffmann:i un-synched the document and you should be able to scroll through it yourself<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green-CONAC:I agree, not exact point of translation is mentioned in our Response<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:And I completely agree with the PRC's points.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Chris.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lars Hoffmann:Here is the link to the REport: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lars Hoffmann:https://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report-24jun13-en.pdf<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:i think we should use them as basic material <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I have no objection to addressing each of the items listed in the table. It seems like the most comprehensive list we've yet seen.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: For validation/verification, I'm guessing it would be more practical to just go ahead and validate/verify the contact info provided in one langauge/script, whatever it is.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Trying to match them from one language/script to another will be very problematic.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin:@amr: are you suggesting a uniform single language/script or that one should be chosen per registry? Consider the following.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I'm suggesting that registrars providing services in different languages/scripts conduct validation/verification in those scripts with no need for translation/transliteration + matching different languages/scripts. Not a uniform single language/script.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin:In our discussions in the IRD recommendations EWG we have observed the UPU standards state that address information requirements is set by the "nation state". Thus, a registrant should reasonably be expected to enter their address in a language/script appropriate for the region. It also seems to follow that validation/verification of address information would be most practical if it was presented according to the local requirements.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: That recommendation sounds like a good one to me. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:+1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Come to think of it, I wouldn't leave it up to the nation-state, but to the registrant.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:but with the new gTLD where it is more context based, not location based <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Pitinan: Good point.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:although be carefull, some nations use several languages being official national languages<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:picking the preferrable language would be ...tough <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Also a good point.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:@Rudi +1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin:The issue you run into is with registrars. They have a global presence and thus how do you "restrict" or "manage" an arbitrary registrant? Could it be that you reject registrants who attempt to enter contact information from regions you can't process?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:a registrar is not equel to a country or language<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I recognize that my suggestion would also present some challenges, like if a registrar loses its accreditation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:It would be problematic to transfer the registrant contact information if no other registrar providing services in a specific language/script is available.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin:@amr - yes one could say it's a market/business issue. but it is a point that registrars will care about because it creates a "restriction" they don't have today if they have to allow the language/script appropriate for the region of the address.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin:@amr - and the transfer issue that you note.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I don't see it a restriction, but a competitive issue. Nothing wrong with that. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin::) I agree but not everyone else does.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Technically, there's no restriction. A registrar based in Germany could hire staff in China if they thought the Chinese DN registration market is worth it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:exonym<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Bangkok<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:endonym Krung Thep<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> wolf knoben:@Amr: It's going more and more vice versa :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:All I'm saying is let demand and supply work it out. No need for overbearing policies. That's where the real restrictions are. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:is there a need to refine the questions ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:up till now I have some difficulties to define the prioritization of the questions <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:any suggestions for Singapore ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Why does this WG always get the 07:30 times?? :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Woe is indeed us.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Someone's got it in for us!! :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:@Amr : due to translation of the hour (tiume)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: hahaha!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> wolf knoben:I apologize for not being in Singapore. But I'll follow what's going on. Have a nice meeting!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Chris. Bon voyage. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone and safe travels to those going to Singapore!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Bye all, thanks <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Bye all. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Petter Rindforth:The same to you all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jennifer Chung:Thanks Chris, thank you all. Bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Until Singapore!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green-CONAC:bye all, see you in Singapore<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>