<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Dear Emily, dear all,</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just wanted to lay out the groups’ envisaged progress from now until after LA to provide a little clarity where as are:</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><b>1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a <u>Draft</u> Initial Report.</b></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument – one supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><b>2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG’s face-to-face meeting.</b></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both sides of the argument.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><b>3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51</b></div><div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument.</font></div><div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><b>4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations.</b></div><div>Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's recommendations put forward in it Final Report – which is no prejudiced by the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report.</div><div><br></div><div>Based on this, <b>I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial Report has been circulated </b>to gather further input/feedback from their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community.</div><div><br></div><div>If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me or Julie either on or off list.</div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks and very best wishes,</div><div>Lars</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Emily Taylor <<a href="mailto:emily.taylor@netistrar.com">emily.taylor@netistrar.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Lars HOFFMANN <<a href="mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org">lars.hoffmann@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>" <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>>, "Dillon, Chris" <<a href="mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk">c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><div dir="ltr">Dear Petter
<div><br></div><div>Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper.</div><div><br></div><div>I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware.
</div><div><br></div><div>I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the
working group.</div><div><br></div><div>The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group.</div><div><br></div><div>You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and
address data.</div><div><br></div><div>I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues,
and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br><br>
Emily. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org" target="_blank">lars.hoffmann@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Dear Petter,</font></div><div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit
the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review.</font></div><div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Many thanks and best wishes,</font></div><div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Lars</font></div><div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"> </font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Petter Rindforth <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>" <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"Dillon, Chris" <<a href="mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk" target="_blank">c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report<br></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><div>Dear All,
<div><br></div><div>I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Petter<br><br>
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Thank you<br><br><p>12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <<a href="mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk" target="_blank">c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk</a>> skrev:</p><blockquote type="cite"><div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p><span>Dear colleagues,</span></p><p><span> </span></p><p><span>Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.</span></p><p><span> </span></p><p><span>In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B:
<i>registrar</i> should read <i>registrant</i>.</span></p><p><span> </span></p><p><span>Regards,</span></p><p><span> </span></p><p><span>Chris.</span></p><div><p><span>--</span></p><p><span>Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel
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<a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon</span></a></span></p></div><p><span> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathalie Peregrine<br><b>Sent:</b> 11 September 2014 21:44<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014</span></p></div></div><p> </p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear All,</span></p><div><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at:<span style="color:#1f497d"><br></span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3" target="_blank">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3</a><span style="color:#1f497d"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p></div></div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">On page: </span></p></div></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</span>sep</a><span style="color:#1f497d"></span></p></div><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO</span></p></div><div><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Master Calendar page:</span></p></div><div><p><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/" target="_blank"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></p></div><div><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p></div><div><p><u><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt">Attendees:</span></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Chris Dillon – NCSG</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter Dernbach- IPC</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;background:white">Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter Green (</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Zhang Zuan)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-NCUC</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Justine Chew-<span style="background:white"> Individual</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Rudi Vansnick – NPOC </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jennifer Chung – RySG</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Wen Zhai - NTAG</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies: <span style="color:#1f497d"></span></span></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Petter Rindforth – IPC</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jim Galvin – SSAC</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Emily Taylor - RrSG</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">ICANN staff:</span></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;background:white">Julie Hedlund </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Lars Hoffmann</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Amy Bivins</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Glen de Saint Gery</span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Nathalie Peregrine</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">** Please let me know if your name has been le</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">ft off the list **</span></p></div><div><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></p></div><div><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> Wiki page:</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"></span><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx" target="_blank"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt">http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx</span></a><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"></span></p></div><div><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thank you.</span></p></div><div><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Kind regards,</span></p><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt">Nathalie</span></p><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">GNSO Secretariat </span></p><p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p></div><div><p><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Adobe Chat Transcript for <b>Thursday 11 September 2014:</b></span></u></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie!</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer!</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now?</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Chris Dillon:Hello all</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Chris Dillon:Thanks</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Peter Dernbach:Hell all.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Peter Dernbach:Hello all.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Wen Zhai:Good evening~</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Chris Dillon:Good afternoon!</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Wen Zhai::)</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ?</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants".</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars"</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rudi Vansnick:could be both also !</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Justine Chew:yes could be both</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope?</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rudi Vansnick:thank you all</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone!</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Chris Dillon:Thank you.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!</span></p><p><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></span></u></b></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>
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