<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi again,</div><div><br></div><div>A point of clarification on my part regarding the consensus levels in the GNSO operating procedures; they are not necessary for the initial report. I meant to indicate that they are required as part of the final report, but after re-reading my note, see that this was presented by me rather poorly. (Thanks for the heads up Marika)</div><div><br></div><div>To try to be clearer on the other point of multiple recommendations in the initial report; if the desire is that this report reflect the lack of consensus currently in the working group on the charter questions we are being asked to tackle, I think this could be done more effectively than by presenting two conflicting recommendations as options, which suggests (to me) that the WG is lost in making a determination. As I believe we are closer to one set of recommendations than the other (although this is rather subjective speculation on my part), I think this should be reflected in the initial report one way or the other.</div><div><br></div><div>Like I said before, I do hope we can focus on an attempt to reach full consensus over the next few weeks.</div><div><br></div><div>On another unrelated topic, I noticed that I am not listed as a working group member in the report. May I ask to be added? :)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again.</div><div><br></div><div>Amr</div><br><div><div>On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Dillon, Chris <<a href="mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk">c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Dear Amr,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Many thanks for your thoughtful comments.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">We will be sticking close to the GNSO Operating Procedures. I am not as familiar with them as many colleagues on the calls, you included, but I will listen to advice as we apply them.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Chris.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">--<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)<a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);">www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org">owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org">mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Amr Elsadr<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>25 November 2014 12:09<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Straw poll on number of options<br><b>Importance:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>High<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi Chris,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I apologize about missing last week’s call, but thank you very much for bringing this discussion to the list. I would like to note that from a GNSO process perspective, having two conflicting sets of recommendations (even in the preliminary report) in response to the charter questions of this PDP will be extremely problematic. gTLD policy recommendation development in the GNSO is supposed to take place in GNSO working groups, where achieving consensus is the goal. Here, we are in the bottom of the bottom-up policy development process. To have these two sets of recommendations would (at least to me) seem like an indication that this PDP working group has failed in carrying out its mandate, and is attempting to shift the decision of a single set of recommendations elsewhere; probably the GNSO council. The GNSO council is not meant to make these decisions.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">In my humble opinion, I believe we should spend the time we have left to us trying to reach a compromise that would achieve full consensus among the working group members. If that proves impossible, we should try to provide recommendations with a consensus level consistent with one of the decision-making designations provided in section 3.6 of the GNSO Working Group Guidelines (Annex 1 of the GNSO Operating Procedures found here: <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/op-procedures-13nov14-en.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/op-procedures-13nov14-en.pdf</a>).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I still hope that the working group members can reach full consensus. This would mean that compromises would need to be made. We really should focus on achieving this over the next few weeks.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Thanks again.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Amr<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Dillon, Chris <<a href="mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Dear colleagues,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">During Thursday's call, we had a straw poll:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Are you in favor of having only one option in the initial report?</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">As you know, in the versions of the draft initial report until now there have been two options (recommendations for and against mandatory transformation), but if it is possible to have only one, the report will likely have a stronger effect. Whatever the result of the report, the arguments for and against will remain in it; this poll only concerns the options.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Please send your vote to the list if you did not vote on Thursday. The options are:<b>Yes, No<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>and<span class="apple-converted-space"><b> </b></span><b>Abstain</b>.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Please vote by 14:00 UTC on Thursday 27 November</span></b><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">. (Note that there is no meeting on that day; the next one is 4 December.)</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">In summary</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">- This is not a consensus call on the options.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">- This is to decide whether the initial report should have one set of recommendations or two sets of recommendations.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">- If a majority believes it should be only one set, the WG, at a later stage (probably during our next meeting, on 4 December) will decide which set it will be.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">- Please bear in mind that this is the initial report and following public comments on it we will be able to modify/amend/change/reverse our draft recommendations.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Incidentally, I shall email soon asking for your comments on version 5 of the report and including the rest of mine.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Regards,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Chris.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">--</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif;">Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)<a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon</span></a></span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>