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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</span>dec</a><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Chris Dillon – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Rudi Vansnick – NPOC <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Peter Green (</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:white'>Zhang Zuan)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jim Galvin - RySG<span style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Justine Chew – <span style='background:white'>Individual<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Petter Rindforth – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Amr Elsadr – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Emily Taylor – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:white'>Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:white'>Mae Suchayapim Siriwat – GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:white'>Wanawit Ahkuputra – GAC</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jennifer Chung – RySG<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>ICANN staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Julie Hedlund<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Lars Hoffmann<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been le</span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>ft off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Wiki page:</span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx"><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx</span></a><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></b><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>GNSO Secretariat <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Adobe Chat Transcript for <b>Thursday 04 December 2014:<o:p></o:p></b></span></u></p><p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Dear all, Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG call on 04 December 2014<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:hello <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Hello everyone<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hi Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Petter Rindforth:Hi there, all six of you!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:hi everybody <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Hi Rudi<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:still fighting with many deadlines <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:strikes are not really very helpful <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lars Hoffmann:Chris you are a host now - so scrolling should be fine.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Mae Suchayapim Siriwat has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:just some editorial comment , the GAC full name is missing from the footnote on page 8<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Hi. Apologies for being late.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Welcome Amr Elsadr<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Terri.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I haven't had a chance to go over the last version sent (6). If possible, I'd like to send comments over the list.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:I was referring to 6a in my last comment.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:Agree with Jim's suggestion about ordering of bullet point - expense first<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:+1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:Did you mean ccTLDs, Chris?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:ccTLD's have other relations to the data in the whois than the GTLD's<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Which point are you referring to?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Justine Chew:pg 13?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:My understanding of this bullet is similar to Jim's, in that this bullet addresses labels rather than the actual contact data.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Chris: +1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Would we want to specify that the labels should be translated vs. transformed?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jim Galvin:i'm sorry I just had a conflict arise and I need to leave this call.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:The Japanese use two local character sets; Hiragana for native words and Katakana for foreign words adopted locally + Kanji. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:goodbye Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:ok <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:i got disconnected for a while <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:just want to add that i'm agree with the label transformation<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:and we might want to refer to the list of languages here <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:ISO_639-1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:and i might want someone helping explain more on how it will display<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:like.. on the interface of the registrar? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:Codes for the representation of names of languages — Part 1: Alpha-2 code, is the first part of the ISO 639 series of international standards for language codes. Part 1 covers the registration of two-letter codes. There are 136 two-letter codes registered. The registered codes cover the world's major languages.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Petter Rindforth:Can thar be done in a way that is easily searchable for anyone looking for the contyact information - "A quick search"?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:See also IETF language tag.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:I'd suggest that we try to think of an "on the fly" type of translation of the labels both for people entering data and for people searching data<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:Otherwise it could become very cumbersome and expensive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IETF_language_tag<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:if we could stick to the IETF than we respect the Internet standards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:We could suggest a minimalist approach (6 UN languages)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:or at least the language that has ccTLDs<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:question : which limit do we foresee (number of languages) ? could exclude important ones<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:I understand that over 90% of the world's population speak about 70 languages<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:That might miss first language for many.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:But it's a bit more tractable than the 6,000 that UNESCO believe in existence<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:is it our duty to define the number of languages ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:The UN languages may be unsatisfactory, but there is a certain consistency in that it kind of works in the UN environment and people are used to it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:let us not forget the target market is GTLDs and there could be GLTD's that only address specific region<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:To be clear, are we suggesting that the data labels are available in local languages/scripts, but only translated to (for example) the 6 UN languages?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:Good point, Amr<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Petter Rindforth:Agree<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:agree<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:Hi everybody<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>，</span>maybe the point I wanna mention is not the point being discussed by you guys now.I would like to pick up with an issue that has always been haunting me since joining this group.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:In Page 10 we have the agreement that "the main purpose of transformed data is to allow those not familiar with the original script of a contact information entry, to contact the registrant", then following "[t]his means that the accuracy of contact information data that are entered and displayed is paramount."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:I think there is a logical issue here, which we may have missed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:My point is, starting from the need of "contact", how is it possible or likely for those unfamiliar with the originalscript of a contact information entry to contact the registrant"? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:How is it possible for an English speaker to contact the registrant who registers a domain name in Arabic?How is it likely for a Chinese to contact the registrant who registers a domain name in Russian?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:I think we should do some discussion work on the "possibility", other than "accuracy" mentioned above.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:It is the "possibility" that matters in regards to whether transformation is "mandatory".<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:thanks Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:just to be clear, have we narrowed down the scope to trasforming label only ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:currently<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>，</span>i think it is<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:oh... i c <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Yes. That's the conundrum. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:Agree with point about registrars should be able to offer services in whatever language is convenient. It's an area we do need to unpack a bit more<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:ok. Thanks Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:Amr's earlier point was useful. My understanding is that - going with a UN language parallel - my understanding is that people can speak in their own language, and it will be translated *into* those 6 languages. So, in a WHOIS context, if UTF8 is supported data labels and input can be in local languages<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:And then maybe we could explore "what if the data labels were available in a limited number of languages"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Emily: Thanks. That's the direction I was trying to head us into. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:Chris on the marketing point, I'm thinking, leave the marketing up to the channel, and provide tools *after the fact* for others to understand what the labels mean<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:@Emily: +1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:@Amr : +1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 with Amr <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:we just point then how to translate correctly. like if you have the code TH in ISO691 then you can look up to use the word "<span style='font-family:"Browallia New",sans-serif'>ไทย</span>" if you plan to serve Thai Customer<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:@Chris on your consistency point, it seems do-able to have a consistent data set in a limited number of languages<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Yes. I would think it is far more doable than consistency with actual contact data. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor::)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks all :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Emily Taylor:Thank you Chris. Great chairing<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lars Hoffmann:thanks everybody, thanks chris!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. Apologies for being late again.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rudi Vansnick:thanks Chris and to all of you for this fruitful discussion<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Many thanks, all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Peter Green <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>（</span>CONAC<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>）</span>:bye Chris<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>，</span> bye all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Chris Dillon:Bye all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>