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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Apologies to all, missed this call this morning. I will review the recordings to catch up on the discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jennifer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Glen de Saint Géry<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 5, 2015 10:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 5 March 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear All,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 5 March 2015 at 14:00 UTC at:<span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span></span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-05mar15-en.mp3"><span lang=EN-US>http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-05mar15-en.mp3</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar</a><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Chris Dillon – NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jim Galvin - RySG<span style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Amr Elsadr – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Rudi Vansnick – NPOC <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Roger Carney – RrSG<span style='color:black'><br>Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC<br>Wanawit Ahkuputra - GAC</span><br>Petter Rindforth – IPC<br>Justine Chew - Individual<span style='color:black'><br><br></span><u>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></u></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Emily Taylor – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Peter Dernbach- IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>ICANN staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Howard Li<br>Julie Hedlund – Staff<br>Lars Hoffmann<br>Glen de Saint Géry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Wiki page:</span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx">http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx</a><b> </b><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Glen </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Glen de Saint Géry <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>GNSO Secretariat <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org">gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org">http://gnso.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br></span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br></span><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Adobe Chat Transcript for <b>Thursday 5 March 2015:<br></b></span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Glen de Saint Gery:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration Contact Information PDP WG on Thursday 5 March 2015 at 1400 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hi all <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Chris Dillon:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:hi hi hi :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lars Hoffmann:hello everybody<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:good morning, good afternoon, good evening to all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:it is not impossible i will be dropped of adobe sometimes as the provider is executing upgrades of the network in my street <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:they promised if it happens it would be a short cut off<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lars Hoffmann:dear all - a full document with 'responses' will be circulated tomorrow. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lars. Really appreciate it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:let's try to get through the full list of comments today and then produce an update <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jim Galvin:+1 amr<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jim Galvin:anxiously waiting for summary...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Justine Chew:+1 Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:I'm sorry. What number are we on?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:58<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Rudi.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jim Galvin:careful about references to law enforcement<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:I think my point was specifically about LEA requests may not specifically be actual legal requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Justine Chew:+1 Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:Jim makes a good point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:I'm not in favor of using this term. DNR-DS<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:agree with Amr : the charter says WHOIS<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Petter Rindforth:Thats even better<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:good proposal Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jim Galvin:Well, I would argue that not everyone understands it. That's why we need new terminology.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jim Galvin:WHOIS is one of 3 things and that's the confusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:Wasn't there that market study that Sarmad was involved in - on available systems that automate transformation?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:it seems there would be a need to identify if the data is translated or transliterated <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:@Chris: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:I believe this was the finding of the study.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:would require an additional tag <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:If I'm not mistaken "uniform" is specified in the RAA. I need to go back and check that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 @jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:@Petter: Are you suggesting that all present and future users are proficient in English or another Latin-based script? :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:The Arab world?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Petter Rindforth:When it comes to pure business & legal aspects, yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:Not true Petter. There are many local services in Egypt that are provided online in Arabic. There is no reason to assume that the consumers of these services speak English or other languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case in other countries using other languages/scirpts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:I'm missing the association between the issues pertaining to trademarks/lists of goods and services, and contact data in the whois. Not sure I understand this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:Why are we discussing mechanisms? We're supposed to be discussing desirability.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Petter Rindforth:It's an example of automatic translation that works and is accepted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:@Petter: Ah Thanks. Missed that point, which changes the context for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:wil still have to cover 14 points and as we are close to the hour i think we will need another session <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:Yes. The ability to actually do something will impact its desirability.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:do we deliver an updated document next week ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lars Hoffmann:yes rudi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:I thought we'd get it tomorrow?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:OK. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks lars <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rudi Vansnick:many thanks, hear you all next week<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Roger Carney:Thanks!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jim Galvin:thanks all bye<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>