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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Tuesday
2 June 2015 <span style="color:black">at 13:00 UTC at: </span> </span><a href="http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpstVYEtAkUhnqHJbcMva2zeHXPBYS28IAQ-2BFDnoOG2tPq034BYs7yyRw5z9U5OfTu8M-3D_QuA5zZR9ZZ7J1F2FeF-2FOsgm1hgIDcBrAX2P7Ezxmql7ckJc4ios1-2BxObAoz2rzLSI3c4QB1NGo7bw7XrBjpRCbz74w4vzk48UxZMFoBBQBQaQ0ePdiOjdJ30sQNHkokOf-2F2p-2FBvMgKvMhzp-2B4u8fP-2BRrSytHe2KCf2HpQmtSbpezMgNTUG57PiORAPesOotpHA-2BC4pSmXJRsVmpbNaLqzqxxpN8od-2BN5fPdm0-2FYAH4zYeaUMwz8UBnn4983WltnVPpBLM1qgZuuVsmstTm4KrHikAUxK4HZH-2FSjYYv0qBVNcUCU7IcRkVV6oNVx62Z5hDNl5VaBJmCGYJgi9s3zX6TKHB1-2F3OrMqAEE-2Fy6Wr2atjGGu5oxrLe9k8VgMJj0DZcrdY95ZoKdI0UQ7RitYlIWUAocfHlrSwPJHNfmJ6ULtU8q2we5kxvEXCqM9ovecgVl1FWP-2BM2aNz1tjwCOhW4SA5KVMcQzPJYmhkozXb7KhvQKdy4Za9u7A8X7QP7Yq2" style="font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 19px;">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-02jun15-en.mp3</a></p>
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2015</font><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">:<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px;"><font face="Calibri"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration PDP Working Group on Thursday, 2nd June 2015</font></p>
<div> Jim Galvin:hi ... dialing in now</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:and now on the line</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:no problem waiting a bit longer given the special time</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:indeed, sometimes Adobe is not willing to allow you to conect</div>
<div> Chris Dillon:But we love it really</div>
<div> Justine Chew:Hello, are we short on participants?</div>
<div> Chris Dillon:A little, but I'm not for giving up</div>
<div> Peter Green (CONAC):Hi Sorry for being late</div>
<div> Lars Hoffmann:i agree with Jim that the *could* should go.</div>
<div> Lars Hoffmann:also it will become 'preliminary' should be taken off.</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:i would also prefer to remove "could" but I'm not a native english speaker</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:unlikely to exist soon : do not forget the timing of this report being approved is approx a few months from now ...</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:at their own expense ...</div>
<div> Sara Bockey:Is statement "consistency would be an issue" truly necessary. If we are recommending it is not desirable and at the requesters expense, and not public, is this last sentence necessary?</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:Apologies for being late. Had another meeting that ran longer than expected.</div>
<div> Justine Chew 2:Any parties requiring SUCH transformation are free to do it ad hoc outside the Whois replacement system at their own expense while ensuring their exercise meets their exact transformation requirements.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:If our recommendations are meant to be implemented immediately, there's no need to really describe it as the "whois replacement".</div>
<div> Lars Hoffmann:@jim +1</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:Agree with Jim.</div>
<div> Sara Bockey:@Jim +1</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:Could be numbers for example.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:"supported by" is what I'm seeing in the AC room.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:Would we like to pluralize "language or script" in rec #3?</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:at the end it is the registrar who offers a platform (form) for registration based on their knowledge of languages</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: +1</div>
<div> Sara Bockey:Yes, it seems to go against universal acceptance a bit</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Chris: That sounds good to me. :)</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Chris: +1</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:I understand the desire to "protect" registrars from the requirement that they might have to support all languages and scripts.</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:I think that might be part of what is hidden in this recommendation. I'm wondering if we could say it differently, although I don't have a suggestion offhand which is why I was inclined to drop it.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Yes..., a requirement to support all languages/scripts would be especially burdensome on local up and coming registrars trying to serve their local communities.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:..., which would probably also be reflected on the registrants paying for the services they are (or aren't) receiving.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:Not a suspicion. It's a bottom line. Registrars are businesses, not charities. :)</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:+1 chris</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:do we mean "consistent" or "self-consistent"?</div>
<div> Justine Chew 2:what about "identified"?</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:For the record, I'm fine with "tagged".</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:I'm also fine with tagged.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Not sure what you mean by self-consistent?</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:Consistency is an RAA requirement. Response consistency was also an issue addressed by the "thick" whois PDP in that context.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:Consistency in the RAA is against standards made clear in the 2013 RAA.</div>
<div> Justine Chew 2:@Jim: I think the term "self-consistent" has a less clear meaning than "consistent"</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:If that's our definition of consistency we should say that. I'm thinking a footnote that "defines" consistency is needed.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: +1. Sounds good.</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:@Jim : +1</div>
<div> Justine Chew 2:Fine with me.</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:so 1 to 4 : closed discssion ?</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:ok</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:@Amr +1</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:just something that comes to my mind : rec#1 : how could one see the registrar has transformed the contact data at their own expense ?</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: That's an interesting question. The registrant could submit a second set of transformed data that the registrar can display.</div>
<div> Sara Bockey:Does rec #5 run against rec #3? Registrant is not necessarily providing local script, but script supported by the registrar</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:Going back to Amr's original point, what needs to happen is we need to know what is the "original authoritative data".</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:Then all other data is "transformed", it needs to be flagged as such, and the source of the transformation needs to be noted.</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: +1. Pointing out the authoritative set would eliminate the concern behind who transformed the second set of data.</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:So the display is "two blocks" of the same data, flagged appropriately.</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:@Amr - there's not necessarily a concern about who transformed the data but I think it would be useful to know the source.</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:@Jim : +1</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Yes. Although the source of the transformation is helpful, do we want to recommend a contractual requirement to display this? This is porbably a question the WG needs to answer.</div>
<div> Sara Bockey:@Amr - agree</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:@Amr - additional discussion would be good. I think it would be helpful but would like to hear other points of view</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:I agree that it "might" be helpful. It does not necessarily guarantee any added accuracy, though. This depends on the arbitrary ability of whoever is performing the transformation.</div>
<div> Sara Bockey:thank you everyone!</div>
<div> Jim Galvin:bye thanks all</div>
<div> Rudi Vansnick:thanks a lot Chris</div>
<div> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.</div>
<div> Peter Green (CONAC):bye all</div>
<div> Chris Dillon:Many thanks and goodbye till Thursday.</div>
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