<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Chris,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are some in the “thick” whois Implementation Review Team (IRT) who share your concerns regarding delays in implementation as a result of bundling. However, their concerns are with delays in implementing “thick” whois, not T/T!! :)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My understanding is that it would make more practical sense to implement them along side each other, instead of working across each other. This is especially true, since the roll-out of RDAP is already bundled with “thick” whois. It would also be the same contracted parties implementing both policies one way or the other, wouldn’t it? Unless I’m missing something.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regarding your second concern, there is a good reason why there is no precedent to merging two implementation IRTs, and that’s because IRTs are relatively new anyway. In fact, the details and principles that govern implementation of policies, and the roles of IRTs were only recently developed by the GNSO Policy and Implementation Working Group, and resulted in major changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures, including formalising the roles of IRTs. So I wouldn’t be too worried regarding the lack of precedents. :)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just some thoughts.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Amr</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 12, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Chris Dillon &lt;<a href="mailto:ccaacdi@ucl.ac.uk" class="">ccaacdi@ucl.ac.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Amr,<br class="">
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      Thank you for bringing this to our attention.<br class="">
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      I am one of the cautious voices mentioned below. This is because
      it is important that T&amp;T recommendations do not get lost in
      something large and possibly slow. This argument was picked up in
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      I also heard a concern in an area where I have little expertise -
      that there is no precedent for such a merger. Having worked in
      large British organizations for many years, I know that such
      things tend to cause procedural delay and it would be worth it to
      flag this aspect up.<br class="">
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      Regards,<br class="">
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      Chris.<br class="">
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      On 11/05/2016 17:52, Amr Elsadr wrote:<br class="">
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      <div class="">I thought this may be of interest to folks on this
        list. The GNSO Council will begin considering bundling the
        implementation of T/T with the consistent labelling and display
        track of “thick” WHOIS. You may be interested to read the memo
        written by GDD staff on this proposal. It should be attached to
        this email.</div>
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      <div class="">Any thoughts?</div>
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      <div class="">Thanks.</div>
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      <div class="">Amr<br class="">
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            <div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div>
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            <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
              margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
                Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Amr Elsadr &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>&gt;<br class="">
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            <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
              margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
                Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Fwd: Memo
                  to GNSO re: bundling Translation and Transliteration
                  into Thick WHOIS IRT</b><br class="">
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            <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
              margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
                Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">May 10, 2016 at 9:38:36
                PM GMT+2<br class="">
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              margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
                Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">GNSO Council List &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>&gt;<br class="">
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                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,
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                <div class="">In preparation for item 8 on Thursday’s
                  Council meeting agenda, I am forwarding a memo
                  developed by GDD staff, and addressed to the GNSO
                  Council, outlining the rationale and preliminary
                  community feedback to the proposal of merging the
                  implementation of the Translation and Transliteration
                  of Contact Information PDP recommendations with the
                  Consistent Labelling and Display track of the “thick”
                  WHOIS implementation process currently underway.</div>
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                <div class="">I hope you will find this informative. I
                  can take any questions or comments from the Council
                  back to the IRT. Of course, you can also direct those
                  to Cyrus and Francisco during their briefing to us on
                  the topic in two days.</div>
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                <div class="">Thanks.</div>
                <div class=""><br class="">
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                <div class="">Amr<br class="">
                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                      <div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div>
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                          'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Brian Aitchison &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:brian.aitchison@icann.org" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:brian.aitchison@icann.org">brian.aitchison@icann.org</a>&gt;<br class="">
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                      <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
                        margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Memo to GNSO re: bundling
                            Translation and Transliteration into Thick
                            WHOIS IRT</b><br class="">
                        </span></div>
                      <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
                        margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">May 10, 2016 at 9:04:29 PM GMT+2<br class="">
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                        margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" class="">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>"
                          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" class="">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>&gt;<br class="">
                        </span></div>
                      <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
                        margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
                          Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Fabien Betremieux &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fabien.betremieux@icann.org" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fabien.betremieux@icann.org">fabien.betremieux@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                          Francisco Arias &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org" class="">francisco.arias@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                          Marika Konings &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" class="">marika.konings@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                          "Karen Lentz" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org" class="">karen.lentz@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                          Krista Papac &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:krista.papac@icann.org" class="">krista.papac@icann.org</a>&gt;,
                          "Lars Hoffmann" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org" class="">lars.hoffmann@icann.org</a>&gt;<br class="">
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                          <div class="">I am the GDD lead for the
                            Translation and Transliteration
                            implementation project, and am sending you
                            the attached memo on behalf of Fabien
                            Betremieux to forward to the GNSO Council
                            for their consideration at their meeting on
                            Thursday, 12 May.&nbsp;</div>
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                          <div class="">As you have discussed with him,
                            the memo concerns the proposal to merge the
                            implementation of the T/T project into the
                            work stream of the Thick WHOIS IRT.&nbsp;</div>
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                          <div class="">You can find all the relevant
                            details in the memo itself. Please let me
                            know if you have any questions. Otherwise,
                            on behalf of GDD Staff, we thank you for
                            forwarding it to the GNSO Council ahead of
                            their Thursday meeting.&nbsp;</div>
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                          <div class="">Best,</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">Brian Aitchison</div>
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