<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Chris,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are some in the “thick” whois Implementation Review Team (IRT) who share your concerns regarding delays in implementation as a result of bundling. However, their concerns are with delays in implementing “thick” whois, not T/T!! :)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My understanding is that it would make more practical sense to implement them along side each other, instead of working across each other. This is especially true, since the roll-out of RDAP is already bundled with “thick” whois. It would also be the same contracted parties implementing both policies one way or the other, wouldn’t it? Unless I’m missing something.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regarding your second concern, there is a good reason why there is no precedent to merging two implementation IRTs, and that’s because IRTs are relatively new anyway. In fact, the details and principles that govern implementation of policies, and the roles of IRTs were only recently developed by the GNSO Policy and Implementation Working Group, and resulted in major changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures, including formalising the roles of IRTs. So I wouldn’t be too worried regarding the lack of precedents. :)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just some thoughts.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Amr</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 12, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Chris Dillon <<a href="mailto:ccaacdi@ucl.ac.uk" class="">ccaacdi@ucl.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Amr,<br class="">
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention.<br class="">
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I am one of the cautious voices mentioned below. This is because
it is important that T&T recommendations do not get lost in
something large and possibly slow. This argument was picked up in
the document.<br class="">
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I also heard a concern in an area where I have little expertise -
that there is no precedent for such a merger. Having worked in
large British organizations for many years, I know that such
things tend to cause procedural delay and it would be worth it to
flag this aspect up.<br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
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Chris.<br class="">
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On 11/05/2016 17:52, Amr Elsadr wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">Hi,</div>
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<div class="">I thought this may be of interest to folks on this
list. The GNSO Council will begin considering bundling the
implementation of T/T with the consistent labelling and display
track of “thick” WHOIS. You may be interested to read the memo
written by GDD staff on this proposal. It should be attached to
this email.</div>
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<div class="">Any thoughts?</div>
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<div class="">Thanks.</div>
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<div class="">Amr<br class="">
<div class=""><br class="">
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Amr Elsadr <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>><br class="">
</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Fwd: Memo
to GNSO re: bundling Translation and Transliteration
into Thick WHOIS IRT</b><br class="">
</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">May 10, 2016 at 9:38:36
PM GMT+2<br class="">
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">GNSO Council List <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br class="">
</span></div>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,
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<div class="">In preparation for item 8 on Thursday’s
Council meeting agenda, I am forwarding a memo
developed by GDD staff, and addressed to the GNSO
Council, outlining the rationale and preliminary
community feedback to the proposal of merging the
implementation of the Translation and Transliteration
of Contact Information PDP recommendations with the
Consistent Labelling and Display track of the “thick”
WHOIS implementation process currently underway.</div>
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<div class="">I hope you will find this informative. I
can take any questions or comments from the Council
back to the IRT. Of course, you can also direct those
to Cyrus and Francisco during their briefing to us on
the topic in two days.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Amr<br class="">
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Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Brian Aitchison <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:brian.aitchison@icann.org" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:brian.aitchison@icann.org">brian.aitchison@icann.org</a>><br class="">
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'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Memo to GNSO re: bundling
Translation and Transliteration into Thick
WHOIS IRT</b><br class="">
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">May 10, 2016 at 9:04:29 PM GMT+2<br class="">
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" class="">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" class="">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>><br class="">
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Fabien Betremieux <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fabien.betremieux@icann.org" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fabien.betremieux@icann.org">fabien.betremieux@icann.org</a>>,
Francisco Arias <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org" class="">francisco.arias@icann.org</a>>,
Marika Konings <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" class="">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>,
"Karen Lentz" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org" class="">karen.lentz@icann.org</a>>,
Krista Papac <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:krista.papac@icann.org" class="">krista.papac@icann.org</a>>,
"Lars Hoffmann" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org" class="">lars.hoffmann@icann.org</a>><br class="">
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<div class="">Dear Amr,</div>
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<div class="">I am the GDD lead for the
Translation and Transliteration
implementation project, and am sending you
the attached memo on behalf of Fabien
Betremieux to forward to the GNSO Council
for their consideration at their meeting on
Thursday, 12 May. </div>
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<div class="">As you have discussed with him,
the memo concerns the proposal to merge the
implementation of the T/T project into the
work stream of the Thick WHOIS IRT. </div>
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<div class="">You can find all the relevant
details in the memo itself. Please let me
know if you have any questions. Otherwise,
on behalf of GDD Staff, we thank you for
forwarding it to the GNSO Council ahead of
their Thursday meeting. </div>
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<div class="">Best,</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Brian Aitchison</div>
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