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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Data & Metrics for Policy Making Working Group call held on </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday 19 August 2014 at 20:00 UTC at:<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-dmpm-20140819-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-dmpm-20140819-en.mp3</a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug</a><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheryl Langdon-Orr – ALAC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jonathan Zuck – IPC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Marinel Rosca – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Andrew Merriam – RySG<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Pam Little – RySG<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tony Onorato - Individual<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><u>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></u></p><p class=MsoNormal>none<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='color:black'>ICANN staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Berry Cobb<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Steve Chan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nathalie Peregrine<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Mailing list archives</span><span style='color:#1F497D'>: </span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-dmpm-wg/">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-dmpm-wg/</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='color:black'>Wiki page</span><span lang=FR style='color:#1F497D'> :</span><span lang=FR> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag"><span lang=FR>https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag</span></a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=FR style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=FR style='color:black'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nathalie<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='color:black'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span>Tuesday 19 August 2014:<o:p></o:p></u></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Data and Metrics for Policy Making Working Group on the 19th of August 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:3:58, giv'er a couple<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marinel Rosca:Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:a degree in ICANN?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:could you IMAGINE?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:makes sense to me<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tony Onorato:makes sense to me<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marinel Rosca:I am ok with the idea<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Pam Little:Idon't think we can anticipate every scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Pam Little:We are trying to develop a framework.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:I agree Pam we can do ptinipals though<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:should read principles<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tony Onorato:to an extent this might be dealt with by having both a quantitative and qualitative section<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tony Onorato:to any "survey", I should say<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tony Onorato:sorry -- just hung up -- will call back<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tony Onorato:i'm back<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:can't get it WHEN asked for it may be able to b got at another point in time<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:;-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:phew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:I love hats<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:can you count discrete occurences of the issue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tony Onorato:Yes, I would have<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tony Onorato:NP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Berry Cobb:writing them down. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:your trying t get ME t be practical! surely not !!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Pam Little:I agree with Jonathan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Yes base line data can be best guessed (often)and be used as baseline so IN the IR<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:YES<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Berry then the IR identifies that the data is desirable but needs to be outsourced<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> J:But why can't staff outsource it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:in some cses thay could, if it is within existing resource allocations and in some cases it would be a yes but it will take 6 months to get it from someone <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:in some case you might need to ask for EOI's from consuktants etc.,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:they could identify that it NEEDS to be done in some cases where the aquisition is problomatic or out of 'current' reach<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:agree Berry but it could be in the IR to identify that the data on yur exampler of expiry dates will need to be sourced if desirable by a non internal ICANN method<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:and then resourced as required when it can be<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:exactly Pam<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Berry Cobb:Agreed. But visability only goes as far as submissions to ICANN Compliance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:and this will continue to be a changing landsxape where of course a part of ICANN can also use the identifiable data desires from IR's as reason to update or better modify their internal data collection and reporting methods<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Pam Little:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:IGF<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:skip to 9th is fine NOT the 26th auOGF is on and I am busy <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Probably<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Berry Cobb:copy that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Berry Cobb:Thank you everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:all good thanks al talk on the 9th more then...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marinel Rosca:Thank you<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></body></html>