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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Data & Metrics for Policy Making Working Group call held on </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday 09 September 2014 at 20:00 UTC at:<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-dmpm-20140909-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-dmpm-20140909-en.mp3</a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep</a><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheryl Langdon-Orr – ALAC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Olivier Kouami – NPOC <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jonathan Zuck – IPC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Marinel Rosca – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Pam Little – RySG<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jeremy Beale-<span style='color:black'> Independent</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Gabriel Vergara-NCUC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><u>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></u></p><p class=MsoNormal>none<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='color:black'>ICANN staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Amy Bivins<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Berry Cobb<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Steve Chan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Brenda Brewer<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Mailing list archives</span><span style='color:#1F497D'>: </span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-dmpm-wg/">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-dmpm-wg/</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='color:black'>Wiki page</span><span lang=FR style='color:#1F497D'> :</span><span lang=FR> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag"><span lang=FR>https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag</span></a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=FR style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=FR style='color:black'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Terri<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='color:black'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span>Tuesday 09 September 2014:<o:p></o:p></u></b></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Brenda Brewer:Welcome to the Data and Metrics for Policy Making Working Group on the 09th of September 2014<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Marinel Rosca:Hello everybody<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Jeremy Beale:Hello - apologies for the long absence, I've been dealing with a family bereavement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:so sorry to hear that Jeremy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Jeremy Beale:Thanks Cheryl - it's meant many trips to Sydney,but not for pleasure unfortunately.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I trust the worst is over then...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Jeremy Beale:Yep<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Gabriel Vergara has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Gabriel Vergara:Hi sorrry .. im late<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:I would just add that we will circle back to this document likely after LA /after our deliberations of the framework for contracted party data access.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:Americans use the expression 'to table soemthing' backwards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Gabriel Vergara:what about meassuring spammer phishers and registrars ratings?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Gabriel Vergara:Tata my point if its private how to mine the right data<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:I'm not sure what you mean by measuring spam and phishing, Gabriel<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:Definitely worth looking into what can be done with already collected data<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Gabriel Vergara:Imean as an example how to filter to numbers which are the regitrars that have most domain owners that provide spam, or malicous software or bad behaviour... <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Gabriel Vergara:if data is anonymized<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Olevie::-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:I suspect that sort of investigation is outside most of the use cases we'd be looking into<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Gabriel Vergara:would be hard to pin point problems so when policy making the data has trhe right tools to taclke down <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Gabriel Vergara:would be hard to pin point problems so when policy making the data has trhe right tools to taclke down '<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Gabriel Vergara:those problems<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Olevie:frm Lome Togo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Pam Little:Here are our initial thoughts:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Pam Little:1. Request for data should be non-discriminatory among registrars/registries.2. Request for data should clearly state that provision of such data is optional. 3. Request for data should clearly state the purposes for which the data will be used.4. Cost of providing the data should not be borne by the registrars/registries.5. Data provided should be treated as confidential, unless otherwise agreed by the data provider. 6. Data provided should be anonymized and aggregated, unless otherwise agreed by the data provider. 7. There should be safeguards to protect against unauthorized access or disclosure. 8. Data that has not been anonymized or aggregated should be destroyed promptly after completion of the purpose stated in the request. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:Agreed with that Steve<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Pam Little:Agreed with Jonathan there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Pam Little:We need to show "what's in it for them".<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:Abuse types of data are also often collected by 3rd parties like SpamHaus and other sources. Another part of our charter is to define a framework on how WG can access these types of external data as well to include a discussion around budgetary implications.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:sounds great Pam<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:The LA Schedule is still in draft, but the Monday at 13:00 to 14:30 slot was requeted.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:why not both<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:after if possible<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> JeremyBeale:Not sure if my mic is working properly. But Graeme mentioned that one member said pricing should be off the agenda. This raises an important point for a self-regulatory body like ICANN - that it ensures that data requests do not cover data sharing that could be viewed as anti-competitive or trust-promoting in effect.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:If we turn down Monday, then Thurs AM is the only other option<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:Affirmative<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:Wednesday?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:Wed we have conflicts with GNSO Council meeting and other WGs<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:what is the Monday time slot berry?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:13:-- - 14:30<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:13:00<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:We can also do "sales for attendance" on the weekend GNSO sessions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Olevie:ok<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Berry Cobb:Next WG meeting 23 Sept at 20:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Marinel Rosca:thank you<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></u></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></body></html>