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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Just to follow up on this, we're aiming to have our note on question 2 for you by mid-next week. We'll let you know if we have any further questions, but
at this stage we do not have any.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gabe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Kurt Pritz [mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 21 February 2019 16:21<br>
<b>To:</b> Gabe Maldoff<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-legal] EPDP - Additional Legal Issues (with attachment) [B&B-M.FID11020712]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Gabe. We will “huddle” on this and be back to you. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 21, 2019, at 5:40 AM, Gabe Maldoff <<a href="mailto:Gabe.Maldoff@twobirds.com">Gabe.Maldoff@twobirds.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">I hope you're well! We had a few follow-up points from your email below on which we'd be grateful for your assistance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">On question 1, our analysis will require some additional information:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">a)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">Benefits
to rights holders of disclosing the city field. Are there any materials you could point us to that would further substantiate and help us quantify the benefit that rights holders receive by being able to more easily access the city field? Alternatively, if
there isn't something written to point to, could we organise a call with the Intellectual Property constituency to discuss this with them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">b)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">Potential
impact for data subjects. Similarly, it would be helpful to understand what issues have arisen in the past – in terms of consequences for data subjects – as a result of the publication of Whois data. Are there materials that discuss this or could we set up
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">If it would be helpful, we could also speak with other domain name registration bodies (e.g. country-code top level domains) to understand the factors they considered
in their analyses. Equally, ICANN may prefer that we not reach out to other bodies on this – please let us know either way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">On question 2, we have begun working through the materials you shared. If we have any questions as we go through them next week, we will be back in touch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#004C92">Gabe Maldoff</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#004C92">Attorney (New York)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#004C92">Bird & Bird</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#D35844"><a href="mailto:gabe.maldoff@twobirds.com">gabe.maldoff@twobirds.com</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Ruth Boardman<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Sent: 18 February 2019 07:40<br>
To: Kurt Pritz<br>
Cc: Gabe Maldoff;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-legal@icann.org"><span style="color:purple">gnso-epdp-legal@icann.org</span></a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">This is just a line to acknowledge - the proper reply (with comments on timing and some questions/ suggestions) is to follow later this week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">> On 16 Feb 2019, at 22:56, Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com"><span style="color:purple">kurt@kjpritz.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">> On behalf of the EPDP Legal Team, I hope this letter finds you both well. I am writing for two reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">> 1. City Name Memorandum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">> We found your memo (analysis and conclusions) to be clear. Please take this letter as authorization to continue the research and analysis as indicated in Sections
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">> Please let us know if you require an additional consultation before starting this effort.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">> * ICANN adopts all of the “purposes" identified in the EPDP current draft version of Recommendation 1, [see below for reference to those purposes for processing
registration data], which addresses processing for the benefit of registries, registrars, ICANN, and third parties, as part of a future Consensus Policy that updates the WHOIS policy to address GDPR concerns<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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data from the registrars to the registries for reasons that are identified in the Final Report, including ICANN mission related, “substantial benefits from mandating thick instead of thin Whois, including enhanced accessibility and enhanced stability."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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called for in these purposes even though the processing and transfer of data may be to enable processing for the benefit of 3rd parties? I.e., should the resulting policy from the EPDP would continue the requirement for Thick WHOIS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">> For supporting your work on this question, please take note of the Thick Whois Final Report<<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/thick-final-21oct13-en.pdf"><span style="color:purple">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/thick-final-21oct13-en.pdf</span></a>>
(<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/thick-final-21oct13-en.pdf">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/thick-final-21oct13-en.pdf</a><<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/thick-final-21oct13-en.pdf"><span style="color:purple">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/thick-final-21oct13-en.pdf</span></a>>)
that describes the policy reasons for the recommendations. See also, <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/thick-whois-2016-06-27-en">
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/thick-whois-2016-06-27-en</a><<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/thick-whois-2016-06-27-en"><span style="color:purple">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/thick-whois-2016-06-27-en</span></a>>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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