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    <p>I think we need to add in the liability analysis to complete the
      picture. Even if something is not strictly prohibited, it may
      carry the risk of liability. <br>
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    <p>Volker<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.08.2019 um 21:39 schrieb Leon
      Sanchez:<br>
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      Would everyone feel comfortable if, instead of submitting the
      question along the complete use case, we submitted the question
      with a summary of the situation that the use case tries to
      address?
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            <div class="">El 9 ago 2019, a las 15:19, Tatiana Tropina
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Margie,
                <div class="">thanks for your reply. I guess then we
                  will need to make a caveat that the case is just
                  illustrative and is still being finalised by the
                  group. I do find some issues with references to the
                  legislation made in that case and the applicability of
                  cited recitals, which possibly have to be changed or
                  brought in conformity with applicable law/regulation.
                  So if we submit the case fully and not just as a few
                  lines illustrating "what's the case is about" -- there
                  might be a problem. </div>
                <div class="">Again, I guess we can discuss how to
                  proceed during the next meeting of the legal team, but
                  I want to flag this for now.</div>
                <div class="">Cheers,</div>
                <div class="">Tanya </div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at
                  22:10, Margie Milam <<a
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Tatiana – </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">The use case is meant to be
                        illustrative, to facilitate Bird & Bird’s
                        general understanding in order to provide its
                        analysis.  As a result I don’t believe that the
                        use case needs to be finalized before it is
                        presented.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">All the best,</p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Margie</p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                              style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From: </span></b><span
                            style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Tatiana
                            Tropina <<a
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                            <b class="">Date: </b>Friday, August 9,
                            2019 at 10:20 AM<br class="">
                            <b class="">To: </b>Margie Milam <<a
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                            <b class="">Cc: </b>Caitlin Tubergen <<a
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                              moz-do-not-send="true">caitlin.tubergen@icann.org</a>>,
                            "<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-legal@icann.org"
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                              moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-legal@icann.org</a>"
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                            <b class="">Subject: </b>Re:
                            [Gnso-epdp-legal] Notes and action items -
                            EPDP Phase 2 Legal Committee Meeting #3</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Margie, </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">a question - is this the
                            case we discussed on the call yesterday? I
                            just wonder if there is a need to reach a
                            general agreement within the bigger EPDP
                            team on this use case before we forward the
                            question to legal -- there were some
                            questions about the use case yesterday and
                            SSAC said they would reply. I think there is
                            a need to wait until at least the issues
                            with the case are resolved before sending
                            the question to legal? - but would listen to
                            what others say. </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">But as we have 1,5 weeks
                            before the next meeting, maybe this could be
                            sorted. </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Wish you and all others a
                            great weekend,</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Tanya </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at
                            18:55, Margie Milam <<a
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                                  style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Following
                                  up on the action items from Tuesday’s
                                  call -  I added the use case we
                                  discussed on yesterday’s call to
                                  Question 11.</span></p>
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                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Updated
                                    Question 11</span></b><span
                                  style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">:
                                  Can legal counsel be consulted to
                                  determine whether GDPR prevents fast
                                  automated, and non-rate limited
                                  responses (as described in SSAC 101)
                                  to nonpublic WHOIS data
                                  <span style="background:yellow"
                                    class="">with regards to the SSAC
                                    use case (</span></span><span
                                  style="background-color: yellow;
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                                  class="">Overarching Purpose: Crime
                                  and abuse investigation by non-law
                                  enforcement parties)</span><span
                                  style="" class=""> f</span><span
                                  style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">or
                                  properly credentialed security
                                  practitioners (as defined in SSAC
                                  101), who have agreed on appropriate
                                  safeguards?  If such access is not
                                  prohibited, can counsel provide
                                  examples of safeguards (such as
                                  pseudonymization) that should be
                                  considered? (BC)</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">All the best,</p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Margie</p>
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                                    </span></b><span style="font-size:
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                                    on behalf of Caitlin Tubergen <<a
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                                    <b class="">Date: </b>Tuesday,
                                    August 6, 2019 at 11:07 AM<br
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                                    <b class="">Subject: </b>[Gnso-epdp-legal]
                                    Notes and action items - EPDP Phase
                                    2 Legal Committee Meeting #3</span></p>
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                                    12pt;" class="">Updated Question<span
class="gmail-m_-7445691938696652461gmail-m-7161246621767108659apple-converted-space"> </span>11</span></b><span
                                  style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">:
                                  Can legal counsel be consulted to
                                  determine whether GDPR prevents fast
                                  automated, and non-rate limited
                                  responses (as described in SSAC 101)
                                  to nonpublic WHOIS data for properly
                                  credentialed security practitioners
                                  (as defined in SSAC 101), who have
                                  agreed on appropriate safeguards?  If
                                  such access is not prohibited, can
                                  counsel provide examples of safeguards
                                  (such as pseudonymization) that should
                                  be considered? (BC)</span></p>
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