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    <p>Thank you Leon, <br>
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    <p>I do note that the legal vs. natural question has been discussed
      to death and I object to re-opening this issue as part of the
      legal questions. I do not believe that this question will provide
      any benefit to our deliverations regardless of the response and
      would only serve to further delay the ultimate result of our work
      due to the debates that will likely follow. <br>
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    <p>I also disagree with some of the statements made with regard to
      the first question. Whether such parties have a legitimate
      interest or not is not something that should be asserted but must
      first be questioned and then proven in every single case a request
      is being made. <br>
    </p>
    <p>As for sub-question c, the identity of a requestor is an
      important part of the information of the data subject as he would
      not be able to exercise his rights if he does not know where and
      by whom his data is processed. <br>
    </p>
    <p>For subquestion d, the decision of whether to release the data to
      a requestor lies with the data controller regardless of whether
      the data subject objects. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I do not understand what is meant by subquestion e. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Best regards,</p>
    <p>Volker <br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2019 um 19:46 schrieb Leon
      Sanchez:<br>
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      Dear colleagues,
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      <div class="">Below you will find a submission from SSAC for our
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      <div class="">Dear support staff,</div>
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      <div class="">Could you please add these questions to the roster
        and include them in future call agendas?</div>
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      <div class="">Kind regards,</div>
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      <div class="">León<br class="">
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            <div class="">Inicio del mensaje reenviado:</div>
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                style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue,
                Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Greg Aaron" <<a
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                class=""><b class="">Asunto: </b></span><span
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                class=""><b class="">Fecha: </b></span><span
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                Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">27 de septiembre de
                2019, 12:43:02 GMT-5<br class="">
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                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Leon
                  et al:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Following
                  up on the first round of answers from Bird & Bird
                  and the F2F, SSAC would like to following to be
                  reviewed by the legal sub-team and sent to Bird &
                  Bird.  We’ve tried to make sure that these are new
                  questions and are not duplicative of info we got from
                  the first batch.  The SSAC team feels these are
                  important questions to ask per the current work and
                  the charter.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">BALANCING,
                  AND RIGHT TO OBJECT:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">               
                  The defense of networks, the prevention of fraud,
                  resisting cybercrime, and indicating possible criminal
                  acts or threats to public security to a competent
                  authority are tasks performed by third parties who are
                  not law enforcement or government agencies. Such
                  parties have legitimate interests in making data
                  requests under GDPR, notably under Article 6(1)f; see
                  also Recitals 47, 49, and 50. We are considering
                  balancing where the data subject may be infringing
                  upon the rights of others, and the safety of
                  third-party requestors who deal with cybercrime.  The
                  third-party purposes above also require timely
                  responses to data requests.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Assume
                  that registrars notify their registrants up-front of
                  the purposes of data collection, under what
                  circumstances the data may be released, the right to
                  object, etc. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">a.           
                  When a data controller receives a legitimate
                  third-party data request, under what circumstances is
                  the controller required under GDPR to explicitly
                  notify the data subject that a request has occurred,
                  and/or that it has provided data to a third party?<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">b.
                             Under what circumstances do data subjects
                  have the right to object under GDPR  to the release of
                  their data to third parties?  Per Bird & Bird's
                  Question 3 memo, ICANN's use cases do not involve
                  profiling or highly sensitive data categories (race,
                  political affiliation, etc.), and "a decision to
                  release information via the SSAD is would not in
                  itself have legal effect on the data subject."<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">c.
                              Are data controllers ever required to
                  notify the data subject of the<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">identity</i><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of a
                  third-party requestor?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">d. 
                            Please confirm: when a data subject objects
                  to processing, the decision to release the data
                  resides with the data controller?<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">e.
                             If a registrant must be notified of a
                  request and then be given the opportunity to object,
                  please explain how this process can be reconciled with
                  or integrated into a SSAD that is designed to provide
                  timely data exchange when possible and does not
                  involve "a decision based solely on automated
                  processing". (See Bird & Bird's Question 3 memo,
                  paragraph 1.12.) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">LEGAL
                  VERSUS NATURAL PERSONS:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Registration
                  data submitted by legal person registrants may contain
                  the data of natural persons.  For example the contact
                  data they provide may include a natural person's name
                  and email address. Legal person registrants also have
                  the ability to publish non-personally identifiable
                  contact data ("<a href="mailto:admin@companyname.com"
                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration:
                    underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">admin@companyname.com</a>")
                  should they desire.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If
                  registrants are required to self-identify as either a
                  natural or legal person, then:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">a.           
                  Can registrars rely on that self-identification? <span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">b.           
                  Can registrars make the contact data submitted by
                  legal person registrants publicly available in RDS
                  (WHOIS), by stating that it is the responsibility of a
                  legal person registrant to obtain consent from any
                  natural person whose data it submits? <span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Please
                  state any considerations, such as the ability of the
                  registrant to correct its data.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As part of
                  the analysis, please examine the policies of the
                  Internet protocol (IP address) registries RIPE NCC
                  (the registry in Europe, based in the Netherlands) and
                  ARIN (the registry in North America, which has
                  customer contacts in Europe).  These registries
                  publish the data of natural persons who are subject to
                  the GDPR, publicly via their WHOIS services, by
                  placing the choice and responsibility on their
                  registrants, who are legal persons.  IP addresses and
                  domain names are two sides of the same coin, and these
                  IP address registries state mission justifications and
                  collection purposes similar to those in ICANN's
                  Temporary Specification. See:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1) “How
                  We're Implementing the GDPR: Legal Grounds for Lawful
                  Personal Data Processing and the RIPE Database”:<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/gdpr-legal-grounds-for-lawful-personal-data-processing-and-the-ripe-database"
                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration:
                    underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/gdpr-legal-grounds-for-lawful-personal-data-processing-and-the-ripe-database</a><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">2)  “How
                  We're Implementing the GDPR: The RIPE Database”:<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/how-we-re-implementing-the-gdpr-the-ripe-database"
                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration:
                    underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/how-we-re-implementing-the-gdpr-the-ripe-database</a><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">3)
                  "Personal Data Privacy Considerations At ARIN":<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://teamarin.net/2018/03/20/personal-data-privacy-considerations-at-arin/"
                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration:
                    underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://teamarin.net/2018/03/20/personal-data-privacy-considerations-at-arin/</a><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">4) ARIN
                  "Data Accuracy":<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.arin.net/reference/materials/accuracy/" style="color:
                    rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;"
                    class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/reference/materials/accuracy/</a><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">5) ARIN
                  Registration Services Agreement, paragraph 3:<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf"
                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration:
                    underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf</a><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">6) ARIN
                  Privacy Policy:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    href="https://www.arin.net/about/privacy/"
                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration:
                    underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/about/privacy/</a></div>
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      Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of
      Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>
      CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br>
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      Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered
      in England and Wales with company number 8576358.</div>
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