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    <p>Before asking any further questions on this topic we should - in
      accordance with the Phase 1 Rec 17 - wait for the study by ICANN
      Org to be completed as this study would likely duplicate some, if
      not most of the work to be done to answer the proposed question
      below. This study was clearly outlines as a pre-requesite of any
      further work on this topic and until that time, part 1 of the
      phase 1 rec should a be sufficient solution for this issue. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I therefore propose that this question be tabled until after the
      completion of the study and then re-visited  to see if the study
      leaves any open questions. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Volker Greimann<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.10.2019 um 16:00 schrieb Tara
      Whalen:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
        </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">As a follow-up to SSAC's
          previously-proposed question on legal/natural persons: we
          revised our original question in light of the recent memo from
          Bird & Bird, to ensure it focused on specific unaddressed
          issues involving consent. See full text below. We propose that
          our new version replace the old one entirely.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
        </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your consideration,</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Tara Whalen</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">---</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">[NEW VERSION]</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">LEGAL VERSUS NATURAL PERSONS:</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Registration data submitted by legal person
          registrants may contain the data of natural persons.  A Phase
          1 memo stated that registrars can rely on a registrant's
          self-identification as legal or natural person, especially if
          risk is mitigated by taking further steps to ensure the
          accuracy of the registrant's designation. </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">As a follow-up to that memo: what are the
          consent issues and requirements related to such designations? 
          Can registrars state that it is the responsibility of a legal
          person registrant to obtain consent from any natural person
          whose data it submits? </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">As part of the analysis, please examine the
          GDPR policies and practices of the Internet protocol (IP
          address) registries RIPE NCC (the registry in Europe, based in
          the Netherlands) and ARIN (the registry in North America,
          which has customer contacts in Europe).  These registries
          publish the data of natural person contacts who are subject to
          the GDPR, publicly via their WHOIS services, by placing the
          choice and responsibility on their registrants, who are legal
          persons.  These IP address registries state mission
          justifications and collection purposes similar to those in
          ICANN's Temporary Specification.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Please see:</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">1) “How We're Implementing the GDPR: Legal
          Grounds for Lawful Personal Data Processing and the RIPE
          Database”:</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/gdpr-legal-grounds-for-lawful-personal-data-processing-and-the-ripe-database"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/gdpr-legal-grounds-for-lawful-personal-data-processing-and-the-ripe-database</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">2)  “How We're Implementing the GDPR: The
          RIPE Database”: <a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/how-we-re-implementing-the-gdpr-the-ripe-database"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/how-we-re-implementing-the-gdpr-the-ripe-database</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">3) "Personal Data Privacy Considerations At
          ARIN": <a
href="https://teamarin.net/2018/03/20/personal-data-privacy-considerations-at-arin/"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://teamarin.net/2018/03/20/personal-data-privacy-considerations-at-arin/</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">4) ARIN "Data Accuracy": <a
            href="https://www.arin.net/reference/materials/accuracy/"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/reference/materials/accuracy/</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">5) ARIN Registration Services Agreement,
          paragraph 3: <a
            href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">6) ARIN Privacy Policy: <a
            href="https://www.arin.net/about/privacy/" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/about/privacy/</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">[OLD VERSION]</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">LEGAL VERSUS NATURAL PERSONS:</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Registration data submitted by legal person
          registrants may contain the data of natural persons.  For
          example the contact data they provide may include a natural
          person's name and email address. Legal person registrants also
          have the ability to publish non-personally identifiable
          contact data ("<a href="mailto:admin@companyname.com"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">admin@companyname.com</a>")
          should they desire.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If registrants are required to
          self-identify as either a natural or legal person, then:</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">a.            Can registrars rely on that
          self-identification? </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">b.            Can registrars make the
          contact data submitted by legal person registrants publicly
          available in RDS (WHOIS), by stating that it is the
          responsibility of a legal person registrant to obtain consent
          from any natural person whose data it submits? </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Please state any considerations, such as
          the ability of the registrant to correct its data.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">As part of the analysis, please examine the
          policies of the Internet protocol (IP address) registries RIPE
          NCC (the registry in Europe, based in the Netherlands) and
          ARIN (the registry in North America, which has customer
          contacts in Europe).  These registries publish the data of
          natural persons who are subject to the GDPR, publicly via
          their WHOIS services, by placing the choice and responsibility
          on their registrants, who are legal persons.  IP addresses and
          domain names are two sides of the same coin, and these IP
          address registries state mission justifications and collection
          purposes similar to those in ICANN's Temporary Specification.
          See:</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">1) “How We're Implementing the GDPR: Legal
          Grounds for Lawful Personal Data Processing and the RIPE
          Database”:</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/gdpr-legal-grounds-for-lawful-personal-data-processing-and-the-ripe-database"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/gdpr-legal-grounds-for-lawful-personal-data-processing-and-the-ripe-database</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">2)  “How We're Implementing the GDPR: The
          RIPE Database”: <a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/how-we-re-implementing-the-gdpr-the-ripe-database"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Athina/how-we-re-implementing-the-gdpr-the-ripe-database</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">3) "Personal Data Privacy Considerations At
          ARIN": <a
href="https://teamarin.net/2018/03/20/personal-data-privacy-considerations-at-arin/"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://teamarin.net/2018/03/20/personal-data-privacy-considerations-at-arin/</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">4) ARIN "Data Accuracy": <a
            href="https://www.arin.net/reference/materials/accuracy/"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/reference/materials/accuracy/</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">5) ARIN Registration Services Agreement,
          paragraph 3: <a
            href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">6) ARIN Privacy Policy: <a
            href="https://www.arin.net/about/privacy/" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/about/privacy/</a></p>
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