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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Becky and Volker for those helpful perspectives. I appreciate the need for transparency, and that there are likely differences of opinion within the legal team.
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<p class="MsoNormal">In “the real world” practice of law, the concept of not speaking with outside counsel about a question asked of them would be quite a bizarre scenario. Simply informing them of why we are asking the question could be of great value to how
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<p class="MsoNormal">The first example that comes to mind is Section 1.12 of the memo on Automation, which appears to provide an elegantly simple way to ensure the processing is not automated and therefore not subject to Article 22. If Bird & Bird had a bit
more information on what we were trying to accomplish, I can’t help but think they would have elaborated on this section and provided further guidance on how best to ensure the model we’re considering does not invoke Article 22 in the first place.
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<p class="MsoNormal">We cannot assume Bird & Bird has been following our work very closely, if at all, especially since the legal committee decided not to send them any sections of the Initial Report for their thoughts. I’ll understand if the legal committee
thinks we have the time and resources remaining to engage in further written back-and-forth, but I submit that a 30- or 60-minute phone call would be far more efficient.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:27 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-legal] Request for Brief Dialogue with Bird & Bird<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Becky. Oral presentations may just lead to further differences of opinion.<br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks for this suggestion. </span>Perhaps it would be preferable if we had Bird & Bird send any follow-up questions, comments, or requests for clarification to the EPDP Legal Committee in writing? Given our process,
the questions should be able to stand on their own, and it may be easier to formulate answers to any follow-up questions in writing rather than on the fly. In addition, having dialogue in writing will promote transparency since the communications between the
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 AM King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-legal <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-legal@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-legal@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wanted to propose that we schedule a brief call with Bird & Bird to discuss the question on automation we just sent.
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I was just an alternate in Phase 1 and was not able to attend, I understand from many EPDP colleagues across various groups that there was a lot of value from discussions
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since the answers to these automation questions will likely be of great importance to a high-priority topic (automation), and because at least the proximate cause issue may be a
novel area of law, I think a dialogue would be useful to confirming Bird & Bird’s understanding of our intent behind these questions.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to your thoughts.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.
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