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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Kurt, all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Taking up on this issue from our last discussion and comments in the chat I really do not see the disruption issue here. ICANN policy making is supposed to
be as inclusive as possible and although I can understand the rules set to limit active participation at the meetings to a manageable size, if the seats at the round table are respected to keep the balance, it really does not matter who talks on behalf of
each constituency. This is common practice in many fora and I really do not see the problem here. I rather see an opportunity to have alternates much more involved and informed so they can actively contribute to our work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Following LA we have Barcelona and there again
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">we are expected to be in many meetings with high work load. A flexible step in and step out between alternates and members is highly desirable (respecting of course the membership
numbers) to help us do our work. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Can I make a plea to colleagues to reconsider banning people out of the room and give a chance to the groups to work more efficiently amongst them and to the
benefit of the whole ePDP exercise?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Georgios Tselentis (GAC-EC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Gnso-epdp-team [mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ayden Férdeline<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kurt Pritz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO EPDP<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Face-to-face meeting attendance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Thanks for proposing this, Kurt.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Broadly I support what you have proposed in your first option, but I would like to clarify this point:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>If an attending member is, in good faith, reasonably certain that s/he will be absent for a period of time where attendance by an alternate is desired, then:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>that member and the alternate can attend the full meeting but only one will be designated as a participant at any one time<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>the alternate will not be given travel support<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I would like to tighten this language up to make it clear that only the designated participant may be in the meeting room while the meeting is ‘live.’ As remote participation will be available, alternates (and
members when an alternate has taken their seat) can still keep up with proceedings without being physically present in the meeting room. This will mean that there can be a rotation between members and alternates in exceptional circumstances, though I think
that is both undesirable and will be disruptive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">The GNSO Council was deliberate in how it constructed the composition of this EPDP, and the distinction between a member, alternate, and observer is important. Having both members and alternates in the room (when
the alternate is not sitting in on behalf of a member) will disturb and alter this vitally important balance. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Ayden Férdeline<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 21 Aug 2018, at 03:58, Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Hi Everyone:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Here is where I am on attendance at the face-to face meeting (and for discussion tomorrow).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I have given this considerable thought, writing a 1400+ word memo / analysis of the different options to the GNSO leadership. Then, I re-thought all of that to come up with an alternative approach. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I believe that the best option is: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>Members are invited and will be provided travel support.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>If a member cannot attend in person, an alternate can attend and be provided travel support. If this is the case, the alternate should be designated to the Support Team as soon as possible. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>In example(2) above, if the absent member wished to participate remotely of a portion of the meeting, then she can do that and the alternate can only participate when the member is unavailable to participate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>If an attending member is, in good faith, reasonably certain that s/he will be absent for a period of time where attendance by an alternate is desired, then:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>that member and the alternate can attend the full meeting but only one will be designated as a participant at any one time<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>the alternate will not be given travel support<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I think this is the best option for several reasons: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>It provides travel support commensurate with membership<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>It allows alternates, when needed, to keep up with the proceedings<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>It is economical compared to other solutions <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>It will be easy to manage who participates and when<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">5.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>Will not materially impact the meeting room size or planning by the ICANN Meetings Team<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Thinking of other options: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>If alternate participation is curtailed beyond this, team effectiveness might be hobbled. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>If alternative participation is expanded beyond this, meeting costs might escalate and logistics would become complicated. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">My second choice would be to make the meeting completely open. In this case there would be two sets of attendees: members and observers. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>The separation would be easy to manage <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>The goal of keeping alternates up to speed could be realised. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>Openness and transparency would be assured.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>However, costs and logistic support requirements would increase, taking budget from more important needs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Thanks and regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Kurt<o:p></o:p></p>
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