<html><head></head><body>Hi Mark,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thanks for your email and for giving me the opportunity to clarify my remarks.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I don’t want to suggest that we should ignore the contents of the Recitals — but we should not treat Recitals the same as we treat the Articles of the GDPR, because the Recitals have no independent legal value and are subordinate to, and cannot contradict, the legislative provisions. I did not see that distinction being made in the message that I responded to. </div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">It is true that the opinions of A29 were also non-binding, but their guidance should carry weight and credibility with us, because EU Courts have typically taken their opinions into consideration, and now that A29 has morphed into the Data Protection Board, it has new legal powers and their previous opinions heavily shaped the construction of the GDPR</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Best wishes,</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Ayden Férdeline </div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">P.S. Hopefully my response is received, as I will shortly be losing posting rights to this list, as I have appointed an alternate for this week’s calls.</div><div class=""><br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 17 Sep 2018, at 01:47, Mark Svancarek (CELA) <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com" class="">marksv@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Ayden, I don’t understand your logic that a Recital from the current version of GDPR would be a less relevant source of insight than an Opinion of A29 from 2014 regarding a Directive which has itself been superseded by GDPR.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">From Recital 47: “</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The interests and fundamental rights of the data subject could in particular override the interest of the data controller where personal data are processed in circumstances where data subjects do not reasonably expect further processing”</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">In the pre-GDPR world, I think that the data subject *<b class="">might</b>* have had a reason to expect further processing based on preventing fraud in some undefined fashion (though *<b class="">probably not</b>*) and the data subject *<b class="">would not</b>* have had a reason to expect further processing for direct marketing purposes. (I use these examples simply because they are mentioned in the Recital.)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">In the new policy that we are creating, we should make it very clear to the data subject at the time of collection that the data may possibly be used for defined anti-fraud purposes. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">/marksv<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ayden Férdeline<br class=""/><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:08 AM<br class=""/><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg" class="">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Section 4.4.8<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Hadia,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If we consider Recital 47 in its entirety and thus in its context, I don’t think it necessarily means what you say it does. The same goes for Recital 49.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. We need to distinguish between a Recital of the GDPR and an Article of the GDPR, as they are not the same. <b class="">While the recitals may inform the interpretation of the GDPR's articles, they are not legally binding. Only the GDPR's articles are binding instruments.</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I would suggest that we should be considering published guidance from the Article 29 Working Party on what a legitimate interest is. In <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Fjustice%2Farticle-29%2Fdocumentation%2Fopinion-recommendation%2Ffiles%2F2014%2Fwp217_en.pdf&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C6adbb61be8a54c02826508d61be645d4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636727073200055158&sdata=LSQvf6gGN3Bcf%2Bq6gmcKA5Nadda26oXBLRzFfS9%2BdYk%3D&reserved=0" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Opinion 06/2014</a> on the “Notion of Legitimate Interests”, they caution that legitimate interests "should thus not be considered as 'the weakest link' or an open door to legitimise all data processing activities which do not fall under any of the other legal grounds” for processing. Rather, it is intended to give "necessary flexibility for data controllers for situations where there is no undue impact on data subjects.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That’s the important distinction here. Anyone who intends to use personal data must balance its own legitimate interest against the rights of the data subject,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">and also against the data subject’s interests</i>, irrespective of whether those interests are legitimate or not. See Article 6(f) of the GDPR.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Best wishes,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ayden Férdeline<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""/><br class=""/><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 16 Sep 2018, at 16:43, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Hi Amr and All,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">I don't think that a final agreement was actually reached on moving items<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">4.4.2, 4.4.8, 4.4.9 and 4.4.10 from under the header “Purposes for Processing gTLD Registration Data”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">The whole confusion in my opinion comes from two considerations the first is our lack of understanding of the interests which lets us sometimes put some interests that are typically ICANN purposes as third party purposes and the second is that when we talk about data processing we mix collection with disclosure.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(67, 67, 67); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Recital 47 of the GDPR states that "<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; background-color: rgb(238, 241, 246); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">The processing of personal data strictly necessary for the purposes of preventing fraud also constitutes a legitimate interest of the data controller concerned" Therefore<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(67, 67, 67); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">fraud prevention constitutes a legitimate interest, and recital 49 of the GDPR states that the necessary and proportionate processing for network security also constitutes a legitimate interest. So when we speak about the original text of 4.4.8<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(67, 67, 67); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">"</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Supporting a framework to address issues involving domain name registrations, including but not limited to: consumer protection, investigation of cybercrime, DNS abuse, and intellectual property protection;" First we should not deduce that the text speaks only about the access, in order to have a framework through which access can be provided you should also have the data itself (that is the collection of the data). Second I would argue that the collection of the data for the above purpose is not only a third party's purpose but it is also an ICANN purpose</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">As for the difference between a framework and a model, a framework is a guide or some principles that make you implement the model, while the model is the tool itself. I would rather see the actual model than just the principles.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Amr Elsadr [<a href="mailto:aelsadr@protonmail.ch" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mailto:aelsadr@protonmail.ch</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:03 PM<br class=""/><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Arasteh<br class=""/><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Section 4.4.8</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hi Hadia and Kavouss,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">The volunteer team working on 4.4.8 did so with the understanding that sections 4.4.2, 4.4.8, 4.4.9 and 4.4.10 would be moved out from under the header “Purposes for Processing gTLD Registration Data”. This was following Kurt’s email to the EPDP list on 4 September, titled “Project Plan Adjustments and Policy Organization”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">We did consider an earlier suggestion by Mark; to split the processing purposes to two lists, one to achieve the purposes of controllers and one of third-parties. However, we did not pursue this too aggressively. Speaking for myself, I agree that 4.4.8 in both its original and proposed altered forms do not describe purposes for processing (for any party).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I am not sure why a “model” would be preferable to a “framework”, so if you could elaborate on why you believe it to be more specific, I would be grateful. Within NCSG, we have considered both these terms, as well as others such as “Methodology” and “Mechanism”. We haven’t settled on any one, just yet.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">As Alex suggested in his original email, this is still a tentative proposal. We like it, or at least prefer it to other alternatives previously suggested, but we’re not exactly married to it just yet. :-)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Thanks.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Amr<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""/><br class=""/><br class=""/><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Sep 13, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Dear All</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">I agree almost with what Hadia said</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Kavouss </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><br class=""/>On 13 Sep 2018, at 10:45, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</span></a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hi All,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Dear Alex and Amr,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">First off thank you for your effort and time on this proposal. But are you saying that among the purposes of the processing of the data is the " identification of third-parties with legitimate interests". This is surely not one of the purposes for the processing of the data therefore a suggest removing it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">So my suggestion would be.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">4.4.8 Supporting a Model that provides access to parties with legitimate interests grounded in legal bases to Registration Data relevant to addressing specific issues involving domain name registrations; such as issues related to consumer protection, investigation of cybercrime, DNS abuse and intellectual property protection.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I put model as I think it is more specific but I am fine with using the term framework if you see it more appropriate. I also suggest adding "such as issues related to" which would serve to provide examples of third parties with legitimate interest.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Kind Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hadia<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Gnso-epdp-team [<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Alex Deacon<br class=""/><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:34 PM<br class=""/><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-epdp-team] Section 4.4.8</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hi All,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">As you know a group of us has been working to recommend an update to Section 4.4.8 of the temp spec. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">While we haven't come to full agreement on the update, we are pretty close and wanted to share the current/tentative output of the volunteer team with the broader team. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 30pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: blue;" class="">4.4.8 Supporting a framework that enables identification of third-parties with legitimate interests grounded in legal bases, and providing these third-parties with access to Registration Data relevant to addressing specific issues involving domain name registrations <b class="">related to consumer protection, investigation of cybercrime, DNS abuse and intellectual property protection. </b></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">The non-bold text was suggested by Amr/NCSG and the added bold text was an updated suggested by me/IPC and supported by the BC. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Giving it a re-read again today I think additional word-smithing could be warranted, but for now I will resist and step away and let others share their thoughts. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Alex<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: blue;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""/></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">--<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">___________<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Alex Deacon</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Cole Valley Consulting<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:alex@colevalleyconsulting.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">alex@colevalleyconsulting.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="gc-cs-link"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">+1.415.488.6009</span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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