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<div dir="ltr">Thanks James for some actual data. Always nice when reality intrudes on these discussions. I have to say it is not just registrars who believe that we cannot differentiate natural and legal persona at the point of registration - the NCSG views
 this as a threat to privacy as well. 
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On Nov 5, 2018, at 17:28, James M. Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Mark –<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shortly following the launch of the 2013 RAA’s requirements for WHOIS Verification, registrars noted that approx. 800,000 domains had been suspended in the first few months. The number continued to climb for a few years, and most were categorized as “false
 positives”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Here’s some coverage of that data at the time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><a href="https://domainnamewire.com/2014/06/24/over-800000-domain-names-suspended-due-to-2013-raa/">https://domainnamewire.com/2014/06/24/over-800000-domain-names-suspended-due-to-2013-raa/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Any program that depends on Registrant self-categorization, self-declaration, or receipt & acting upon a notice has a huge error factor.  For GoDaddy in 2014, the RAA verification rate was in the
 high 70% or low 80%, meaning that service to tens of thousands of customers was delayed or disrupted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">It’s this experience that causes Contracted Parties (but particularly Registrars) to be skeptical of any requirement to just “send an email” or “have the Registrant check a box.”  It doesn’t scale.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">"Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com">marksv@microsoft.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, November 5, 2018 at 15:14<br>
<b>To: </b>"James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: Contracted Parties and Small Teams #1 and #2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">James, can you clarify this:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">“</span></i><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">many of whom could lose access to their registrations.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 5, 2018 10:57<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-epdp-team] Contracted Parties and Small Teams #1 and #2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This morning, Registry and Registrar representatives met to discuss the status of potential recommendations from Small Group #1 (Legal vs. Natural) and Small Group
 #2 (Geographic Regions) in our Draft Initial Report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We concluded that there are some legal bases supporting these distinctions under GDPR and other data protection laws, and note that our Initial Report supports this.
  However, we reiterate our numerous high-level concerns against making any Consensus Policy recommendations for contractual requirements in these areas.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Our concerns involve:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Legal - Aside from GDPR, other data protection laws are less clear on the distinction between legal and natural persons.  Future regulations may contain contrary requirements. Furthermore, data of
 legal entities may contain or consist of personal information of natural persons, which would be entitled to protection under the GDPR and similar data protection regimes. Likewise, the geographic distinctions also create uncertainties.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Technical - Contracted Parties are uniquely situated to assess the current level of the technological means available to us, and it is our stated position that a technical basis to reliably and confidently
 make such a distinction does not exist. Especially because any distinction schema would be dependent upon Registrant Self-Identification, which is fraught with error.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Commercial - Developing and deploying this technology will involve significant costs, which may be prohibitive for smaller organizations and a barrier to market entry.  Regardless of whether the
 distinction(s) are applied to new registrations or legacy domain names, it would be a logistical nightmare for Contracted Parties, and a source of confusion for Registrants, many of whom could lose access to their registrations.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Asymmetrical Risks vs. Benefits -  Contracted Parties would assume all regulatory risks of such an obligations, exclusively for the benefit of unburdened third parties.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Scope - The distinction between Legal and Natural persons, or geographic regions, does not currently exist in the Domain Name System.  Therefore, any recommendation mandating this change is outside
 the scope of the ePDP, and possibly the “picket fence” of Registrar and Registry contracts.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As a result, and for the avoidance of doubt, Contracted Parties oppose/reject any recommendations for new contractual requirements in the ePDP Draft Initial Report,
 and will remain opposed to these recommendations as we move towards final recommendations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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