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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That is exactly my point though.  This is what we are discussing in relation to replacing the temp spec and making policy recommendations.  It must have some basis
 in law and in fact.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Making that distinction in WHOIS would enable public disclosure, which is really same as access if you think about it in those circumstances.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes, we have tried to keep those topics separate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> Leon Sanchez [mailto:leon.sanchez@board.icann.org]
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<b>Sent:</b> 14 November 2018 16:01<br>
<b>To:</b> Lindsay Hamilton-Reid <lindsay.hamilton-reid@fasthosts.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] ICANN org question response<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Lindsay,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I see your point, may I suggest that we focus on the items we’ve been working on in relation with? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Access is definitely something we, as community, will need to address but for now my feeling of the discussions is that we have agreed to keep these topics (temp-spec and access) separate. I could be misinterpreting the general feeling,
 of course, and apologize in advance if I am in fact doing so. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Leon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Enviado desde mi iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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El nov. 14, 2018, a la(s) 3:54 p. m., Lindsay Hamilton-Reid <<a href="mailto:lindsay.hamilton-reid@fasthosts.com">lindsay.hamilton-reid@fasthosts.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Caitlin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you for the clarification.  However, when you state “maintenance of and access to accurate and up-to-date information concerning domain name registrations” is
 one of the topics on which ICANN may enforce consensus policies, who will have access and on what basis?  While I appreciate the ICANN may have the right to draft and enforce certain policies, any such policy must be in accordance with applicable law.  Isn’t
 that exactly what we are trying to do in this EPDP?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Many thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-epdp-team [<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Caitlin Tubergen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 November 2018 13:17<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-epdp-team] ICANN org question response</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear EPDP Team,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">In response to a question posed by the EPDP Team to ICANN org on Thursday, 8 November, please find the following response:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;background:white">QUESTION:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Is making the natural vs legal distinction in WHOIS
 within the picket fence, i.e., a suitable topic for policy discussion?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">RESPONSE<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background:white">Yes, access to gTLD registration data generally is one of the allowed topics for consensus
 policy as set forth in ICANN Bylaws<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>registry<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>registrar agreements. (That list
 of topics is referred to by some as “the picket fence”). Please refer to Annex </span>
<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/bylaws-2018-06-22-en#annexG1"><span style="color:black;background:white">G-1</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:white"> </span></span><span style="background:white">and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/bylaws-2018-06-22-en#annexG2"><span style="color:black;background:white">G-2</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:white"> </span></span><span style="background:white">of
 the ICANN Bylaws as well as<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/agreements/agreement-approved-31jul17-en.html#specification1.1"><span style="color:black;background:white">Specification 1
 Section 1.3.4</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:white"> </span></span><span style="background:white">of the Base Registry Agreement<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>the</span><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#consensus-temporary"><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black;background:white;text-decoration:none"> </span></span><span style="color:black;background:white">Consensus
 Policies<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Temporary Policies Specification</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background:white"> </span></span><span style="background:white">of
 the Registrar Accreditation Agreement, which provide that: “maintenance of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and access to accurate<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>up-to-date<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>information
 concerning domain name registrations” is one of the topics on which ICANN may enforce consensus policies.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Marika, Berry and Caitlin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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