<html><head></head><body><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""/><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;" class="">Hi,</span><div class="" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;"><br class=""/></div><div class="" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;">I recall that there were questions/concerns raised by this wording of the recommendation that I don’t believe we ever got around to addressing. I’m not sure what the purpose is of singling out abuse and intellectual property in this recommendation. If there is a reason for doing this, it’d be helpful to understand.</div><div class="" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;"><br class=""/></div><div class="" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;">I would imagine that a recommendation that reads similar to what Milton suggested would cover both those categories. There are however, other legitimate interests for which lawful disclosure/access to non-public registration data is something we will need to work out in the next phase of the EPDP, apart from abuse and intellectual property. Why do these two get special status in this recommendation?</div><div class="" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;"><br class=""/></div><div class="" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;">Thanks.</div><div class="" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;"><br class=""/></div><div class="" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS;">Amr</div><div class=""><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 18, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Mark Svancarek (CELA) via Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">I think the awkwardness can be resolved simply by changing<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: 0.5in;" class=""><span class="">“</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">standardized access to non-public registration data portion”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">to<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">“standardized access to [the] non-public registration data portion”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Agree with Alex that we should not revise the compromise verbiage beyond the addition of “the”, above.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Alex Deacon<br class=""/><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, November 18, 2018 10:02 AM<br class=""/><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">milton@gatech.edu</a><br class=""/><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Some badly needed wording fixes as we finalize interim report<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Milton, All,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have to strongly object to Milton's suggestion that the text of Rec #2 be updated as he suggests. We debated the language for Purpose B (now purpose 2 of Rec #1) for weeks if not months - reviewing many versions and numerous iterations. By the time we all got to Barcelona the current language of purpose #2 is where we ended up and if you remember I expressed the deep concern the IPC had with the language. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In order to move forward James B. suggested a compromise - resulting in what is now Rec #2 - addressing our concern and allowing us to move forward. I greatly appreciated (and still appreciate) this pragmatic suggestion from James and was encouraged that there was no objection from any of us in the room. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The request that we change the language of Rec #2 essentially undoes this compromise and puts us back in time many weeks. A major change to the intent of a recommendation such as this is inappropriate and must not be allowed. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Alex<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 9:14 PM Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div id="m_6543104636871476595m_8145097759225120963divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">All, I have been going through the Exec Summary of the interim report and have found some issues. Most of these are grammar or copy editing fixes that I hope we can accept without controversy. One of them has a substantive element, though. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Footnote 2, page 4: “the EPDP Team anticipates taking a formal consensus call..” <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Shouldn’t this be “WILL take a formal consensus call…” To say "anticipates" sounds like we might not do so if it’s not convenient. We are required to take a consensus call<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Line 150-151: The wording of Preliminary Rec 2 is awkward and ungrammatical.<span class="m6543104636871476595m8145097759225120963apple-converted-space"> It now reads:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">“The EPDP Team commits to develop and coordinate policy in the system for standardized access to non-public registration data portion of this EPDP regarding lawful access for legitimate third-party interests regarding abuse or intellectual property to data identified herein that is already collected.” This should be changed to:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">“The EPDP Team commits to develop and coordinate policy for disclosure of non-public registration data to third parties with legitimate interests.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Page 6, footnote 3. Delete. I thought we had agreed that after agreeing on Preliminary Agreement #3 that new policies on accuracy were out of scope.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Page 6, footnote 4. This can be deleted, as the same text is included later on in page 7, lines 170-172<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Milton Mueller<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""/>Gnso-epdp-team mailing list<br class=""/><a href="mailto:Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br class=""/><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgnso-epdp-team&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8b66eb40e37f44b1a15c08d64d7ff8a7%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636781609363227842&sdata=23J%2FxmsboyqpPu5%2BpwxxV0qbVUgyPnpsxdwu7Mwf8NA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-epdp-team</a></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""/></div></body></html>