<div dir="ltr">To be perfectly honest, I think that Hadia & Alan's suggestions, are perilously close to going against the the very nature of the tentative agreements we have on Recommendation 12. If their point of view is that ICANN compliance must be used as a stick to beat the Contracted parties into submission/compliance, I find that exceptionally unhelpful. It is not the role of the ePDP to create new obligations for CPs outside of that which is necessary for GDPR compliance! <div><br>The repeated issue of the parties is that it is nigh on impossible to set this in stone; every single request received must be considered individually, on its own merits (as the GDPR, which supersedes all our machinations, requires). The CPs are coming to the table in goodwill noting that we understand the need for predictability for 3rd party requests. We have discussed at length the impossibility of setting a strict timeline on such requests, I simply think this squanders the goodwill in this agreement in now suggesting a frankly unimplementable, or more likely a utterly ad hoc and random audit system, rather than accepting that the contracted parties are acting in good faith, and will continue to do so. For those CPs who do not act in good faith, I have a feeling that a poor audit result regarding response to disclosure requests will be the least of the issues. </div><div><br></div><div>There are elements that are tangible and capable of ICANN review upon complaints regarding same, using existing complaints processes. Let's not reinvent the wheel here! </div><div><br></div><div>So to be clear. The RYSG strongly opposes the ALAC addition.</div><div> </div><div>Alan </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_-1680002464776310590gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><table style="padding:0px;margin:10px 0;border:none"><tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:0px 7px 0px 0px"><a href="http://donuts.domains" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img alt="Donuts Inc." height="75" src="https://storage.googleapis.com/signaturesatori/customer-C02zzlf7k/images/-54f9d8ac97e7f575bf497d10ac1f1aafafddf8afceab5f269d49034f01b3217b.png" width="75"></a></td><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:0px 7px 0px 0px;text-align:left">
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</div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif">Please NOTE: This electronic message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information owned by Donuts Inc. . </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif">Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you.</span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 12:10 PM Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi all , I have added a few words about compliance and the implantation of the policy and hence propose the following minor edits to recommendation number 12<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">The EPDP Team recommends that ICANN org and the contracted parties develop a mechanism that allows ICANN Contractual Compliance to audit response times to the requests.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">The EPDP recommends that the implementation of this policy includes requirements of acknowledgement of recipient of requests and the response to such requests, criteria for a " Reasonable Request for lawful Disclosure"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">The implementation of this policy will include at a minimum "<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-1680002464776310590gmail-m_-790824542429628105normal" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The above is to replace<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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and the requirements for acknowledging receipt of a </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">request
<span style="color:black"> and response to such request will be defined as part of the implementation<span class="gmail-m_-1680002464776310590gmail-m_-790824542429628105MsoCommentReference"><a></a><u></u><a class="gmail-m_-1680002464776310590gmail-m_-790824542429628105msocomanchor" id="gmail-m_-1680002464776310590gmail-m_-790824542429628105_anchor_1" href="#m_-1680002464776310590_m_-790824542429628105__msocom_1" name="m_-1680002464776310590_m_-790824542429628105__msoanchor_1">[Kristina
1]</a><u></u> </span> of these policy recommendations but will include at a minimum: " <u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 06, 2019 12:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marika Konings; Sarah Wyld; <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation 12 - Reasonable Access<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi all, the below comments are on behalf of Alan G
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1. still does not set an expectation that although SOME requests may take the specified limit, not all should. Nor does it seem to imply that the Contractual Compliance has any ability to audit response times.<br>
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2. I find the reference to "GDPR legal bases" problematic. For example, under the current proposals, a registrar who is operating full outside of the EU mat redact information for legal persons and for natural persons not subject to the GDPR. What is the GDPR
legal basis for requesting information on such registrations. According to GDPR there was no need for redaction to begin with, so a registrar can refuse to provide any results with full impunity.<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 05, 2019 11:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Wyld; <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation 12 - Reasonable Access<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Sarah. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">EPDP Team members, as this topic is included in the agenda for tomorrow’s meeting, please share any issues or concerns your group may have with the modified language prior to the meeting, if possible. Staff has taken the liberty to fix
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Caitlin, Berry and Marika <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Sarah Wyld <<a href="mailto:swyld@tucows.com" target="_blank">swyld@tucows.com</a>><br>
<b>Organization: </b>Tucows<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 12:31<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation 12 - Reasonable Access<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Hello All,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">As discussed on today's call, here is the proposed revised Rec. 12 from RySG/RrSG. Thank you.
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<pre>Thanks again for your perseverance. And - thank you in advance for your spirit of cooperation and compromise in considering the attached. We have spent the last few days reviewing the transcripts and other records of our recent discussions and then amending the Final Report Recommendations - taking into account the Initial Report Recommendations, the small team work, the conclusions in Toronto and these last several meetings. <u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Recommendation 5 - Data elements to be transferred from Registrars to Registries<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Recommendation 12 - Reasonable Access<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Recommendation 14 - Responsible Parties<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>[Not included are Rec. 13 (sent earlier) and Rec. 11 and the Research Purpose (to be sent tomorrow.]<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Each of these documents has a brief forward containing a description of the pertinent discussion and an explanation for choosing the wording in the Recommendations. They each then contain the Recommendation as originally written and a redline of the proposed recommendation based on the most recent discussions. Please read the entire documents (they are not long), and not just the recommendation itself.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>I am certainly not asking for you to stand silently by if you disagree with these Recommendations because they would negatively impact GDPR compliance. I am asking that you study the balancing that went into this and be ready to accept wording in cases where it does not match your own choice. <u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Please review with your groups and return to us by Monday so that we can put any of these on the Tues/Wed/Thur agendas. <u></u><u></u></pre>
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