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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Yes particularly on the geographic differentiation....I don't see any need for research. ICANN needs to have a uniform policy, right? We cannot be talking about uniform access and yet not be talking about uniform
protection. Determining which countries have similar legislation, particularly if the only element ICANN wishes to focus on is the chance of successful litigation resulting in fines, strikes the NCSG as not being in keeping with our commitment to human rights
and adherance to law. The economic costs of determining the risk on a rolling basis are also a very strong factor mitigating in favour of not making the geographic determination.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-19 08:24, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kurt, thanks to you and staff for your classification and summary of the comments. In terms of clarifying and finalizing where we all stand I think the “quiet
period” was a success.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I would like the correct a few things for the record and voice a disagreement about one of your consensus designations.
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Purpose 2 has Consensus. The only opposition to it in its current form is 2 constituencies within the Commercial SG.
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">On Recommendation 2, you classified it as Strong Support/ Significant Opposition. However, 3 entire SGs are against it. In similar constellations
(e.g., Recommendation 16 and 17) you have said there is a lack of convergence on this issue.
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Recommendation 16: If your current classification of Rec 2 holds, we will have to classify this as “Strong Support/Significant Opposition” to be
consistent, as there are 3 entire SGs that support it, and one constituency within CSG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">On other matters, you characterized Amr as supporting a study on the geographic differentiation issue. This is not quite correct. My understanding is that Amr
called for legal advice on the question, not a study. NCSG does not support a study as we view it as a delaying tactic by advocates of geographic differentiation. Similarly, Stephanie has never said that any and all research is a “good thing.”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Look forward to talking more this morning<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton L. Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor, School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-epdp-team [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kurt Pritz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 18, 2019 5:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> GNSO EPDP <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">
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<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-epdp-team] Last chance, last dance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hello Everyone: </span> <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Well, if I ever share my “lessons learned” from this experience, the first one will be, “don’t have a quiet period for final report review.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I think that, by-and-large, the statements and reviews were constructive and measured. In certain cases (more than one), we strayed from our objectives to maintain the agreed-upon language in the report, absent
some mistake or inconsistency. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">We have essentially two days of meeting time before we must deliver the report. Here is my approach to the next two days - you are free to provide feedback on these. This approach was developed with the idea
that I don’t wish to require your attendance at two days of marathon meetings. (By my reckoning, we are ~4300 person-hours of meeting time into this, and two days at the end can only slightly perturb the results of those extensive consultations and deliberations.) </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The attached document has divided the recommendations into three groups: (a) those for which there is no commentary in the statements, (b) those for which there are comments but do not suggest edits to the
recommendation or report, and (c) those that recommend edits. In the cases of the first two groups, there will be no discussion. The comments made in set (b) will be included in the report, either in the group statement or in the report body. Subject to the
points below, they will be designated as enjoying full consensus / consensus support. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">1) We will keep to the central idea that we will not discuss substantial changes to each of the recommendations. Edits substantially changing the intent of the recommendation will either not be discussed or
lightly mentioned. Groups recommending substantial changes from previously agreed upon language can signal dissent if they cannot accept the language as written and the consensus designation will take note of that. There are a couple exceptions to this that
I will discuss below. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">2) For edits to recommendations or supporting text that might be termed clarifications or corrections, we will have a brief explanation of those to see if there is (more or less) universal approval of those.
If that level of approval is not apparent, we will revert to the previous language and the group recommending the edit can decide whether they still can support the recommendation as written. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">3) There are two areas where I believe we should continue our substantive discussion. The first is Reasonable Access or Lawful Disclosure where the recommendation has oscillated between two versions and we
were unable to get to an agree-upon conclusion because of who could attend what meeting and, essentially, time ran out. I’d like Ashley to start this discussion. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The second issue is the Geographic considerations issue. As some others did, I too remember a discussion and, I thought, agreement, that we would request that additional research be done on this topic. I remember
Amr’s intervention that the research be undertaken in two phases so that it is properly scoped and done economically. While the discussion of this research is in the body of the report (as “implementation advice” I guess), we should discuss whether to move
it into the recommendation itself. As Stephanie has said more than once, research is a good thing. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#454545">Recommendation 5 - Data collected by registrars / Tech contact</span><span style="color:#454545"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">4) There are a number of recommendations that still enjoy the consensus support of the group. Our report will include the extent of support for each recommendation. To the representatives of the IPC and BC,
it is apparent to me that not all of your recommendations will be adopted. Assuming that eventuality and based on your joint statement, I think you will have to decide for each of these recommendations that have the full support of the group whether you continue
to support them or wish to state that you cannot support them as written. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Support but not Consensus. The team should look for solutions / compromise solutions to avoid such a designation. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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