<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: 'Verdana', 'Verdana'; font-size: 10pt; color: rgba(102, 102, 102, 1.0);"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Indeed, thanks Volker. It is both important and useful. It is also confusing although that may only be to me. What is said below appears to be directly at odds with things being said by the DPAs and EC representatives.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In its statement of 27 May 2018 (<a href="https://edpb.europa.eu/news/news/2018/european-data-protection-board-endorsed-statement-wp29-icannwhois_en" class="">https://edpb.europa.eu/news/news/2018/european-data-protection-board-endorsed-statement-wp29-icannwhois_en</a>) the EDPB said:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><em style="box-sizing: border-box; caret-color: rgb(27, 37, 58); color: rgb(27, 37, 58); font-family: "PT Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class="">"As expressed also in earlier correspondence with ICANN (including </em><a href="http://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/just/document.cfm?doc_id=48839" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(60, 168, 211); text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; transition: color 0.25s; font-family: "PT Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><em style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">this letter</em></a><em style="box-sizing: border-box; caret-color: rgb(27, 37, 58); color: rgb(27, 37, 58); font-family: "PT Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""> of December 2017 and </em><a href="http://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/article29/document.cfm?action=display&doc_id=51021" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(60, 168, 211); text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; transition: color 0.25s; font-family: "PT Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><em style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">this letter</em></a><em style="box-sizing: border-box; caret-color: rgb(27, 37, 58); color: rgb(27, 37, 58); font-family: "PT Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""> of April 2018), WP29 expects ICANN to develop and implement a WHOIS model which will enable legitimate uses by relevant stakeholders, such as law enforcement, of personal data concerning registrants in compliance with the GDPR, without leading to an unlimited publication of those data."</em><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And during a Board GAC call last week on the Kobe GAC Communique (<a href="https://gac.icann.org/minutes/gac%20kobe%20communiqu%C3%A9%20-%20gac-board%20clarification%20call%20notes%20-%2015april2019%20(final).pdf)" class="">https://gac.icann.org/minutes/gac%20kobe%20communiqué%20-%20gac-board%20clarification%20call%20notes%20-%2015april2019%20(final).pdf)</a> in a discussion about the need for an access model, the work carried out by the Technical Study Group to design one and how ICANN can get legal advice for the DPAs about the legality of that model, the Commission said that although it was not is a position to speak for the EU member of the GAC...:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"<span style="color: windowtext;" class="">European Commission reiterated its
willingness to help facilitate communications with DPAs, and in particular the
Belgian DPAs who it indicated has been chosen to be the lead DPA on this issue </span><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">for the EU, a European Commission further suggested a two-step process: first,
considering with legal advisors implementation options to achieve the aims of
the EPDP report; and second, start </span><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">consulting with the
lead DPA to get their views before consulting the full EDPB once more, with
facilitation from the Commission as needed"</span></div>
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18 Apr 2019, at 16:08, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Thank you for highlighting this important and useful contribution, Volker. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div class="">-- Ayden <br class=""></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br class=""></div><div class=""> On Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:37 PM, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><p class="">Dear fellow members, <br class=""></p><p class="">the European Commission just provided very valuable and
constructive insights into our reports that we would be
well-advised to take into account in Phase 2:<br class=""></p><p class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-epdp-recs-04mar19/attachments/20190417/6f0a65b2/CommentsontheTemporarySpecificationforgTLDRegistrationDataPolicyRecommendations-0001.pdf" class="">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-epdp-recs-04mar19/attachments/20190417/6f0a65b2/CommentsontheTemporarySpecificationforgTLDRegistrationDataPolicyRecommendations-0001.pdf</a><br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class="">The European Commission recognises this (the recommendation
of purposes and association with processing activities) as a <b class="">long
due and important step forward</b> in the ongoing reform of
the WHOIS system. </i><i class="">Having a clear definition of the
purposes for the processing of the data in the WHOIS system is
an <b class="">essential pre-requisite</b> for ensuring a GDPR-compliant
system.</i>"<br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class="">the overall model would benefit from <b class="">making even more
explicit the links between the purposes for processing
personal data and the specific processing activity(ies) as
well as the specific personal data items.</b></i>"<br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class="">Accordingly, the European Commission considers that <b class="">the
purposes</b> for processing WHOIS personal data by ICANN
and/or the contracted parties <b class="">should not include enabling
access by third parties</b>. This is also at the core of the
concerns expressed for some time by the DPAs and the European
Data Protection Board (EDPB), which have clarified that the
purposes of ICANN and contracted parties must <b class="">not be
conflated with the interests of third parties</b> in accessing
registration data.</i>"<br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class="">Notwithstanding the above, the European Commission would like
to acknowledge that maintaining such a distinction does not per
se limit WHOIS data access by/disclosure to third parties, but
merely differentiates between<b class=""> ICANN’s own purposes</b> (e.g.
maintaining the security, stability and resilience of the Domain
Name System) which are capable of justifying collection of the
data in the first place, and subsequent processing (enabling
access to and disclosing WHOIS data) for legitimate purposes
pursued by third parties.</i>"<br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class="">In the Report, Article 6(1) (f) of the GDPR is often invoked.
The European Commission would like to recall that legitimate
interest is one of the six possible legal bases provided under
the GDPR1. (...) Specifically, the legitimate interest<b class=""> needs
to outweigh</b> the interest of the individual concerned.
Given that there is an interference with the fundamental right
to data protection of an individual, a balancing of interests is
necessary to properly justify the reasons for such an
interference. (...) The <b class="">balancing is </b>thus <b class="">a
responsibility</b> (<b class="">not a prerogative</b>) of the data
controller.</i>"<br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class=""><b class="">Third parties seeking access also need a legal basis for
processing the data</b>. For instance, an IPR rightholder
might have a legitimate interest to gain access to WHOIS
personal data in order to ensure his/her IP right is protected
and not abused. The existence of <b class="">such a right needs to be
substantiated and the necessity/proportionality of accessing
that data ascertained</b>. This IPR rightholder might rely on
Art. 6(1) (f).</i>"<br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class=""><b class="">GDPR legitimate interest cannot be used as a legal basis
for data processing by public authorities</b></i>".<br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class="">With regard to the various processing activities involved in
the WHOIS system, the issue of whether they involve an <b class="">international
data transfer </b>under the GDPR should be considered.</i> (...) it is also necessary to identify <b class="">an appropriate legal
ground </b>for the international transfer"<br class=""></p><p class="">"<i class="">the current situation is affecting EU Member State <b class="">authorities’
ability</b> to obtain legitimate access to this data,
necessary to enforce the law online, including in relation to
the fight against cybercrime</i>"<br class=""></p><p class="">All this seems to point in a very clear direction for our path
ahead with regard to the disclosure model we will be working on.
More on that when we get to this part of our deliberations. <br class=""></p><p class=""><br class=""></p><div class=""><div class="">-- <br class=""></div><div class=""> Volker A. Greimann<br class=""></div><div class=""> General Counsel and Policy Manager<br class=""></div><div class=""> <b class="">KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""></div><div class=""> T: +49 6894 9396901<br class=""></div><div class=""> M: +49 6894 9396851<br class=""></div><div class=""> F: +49 6894 9396851<br class=""></div><div class=""> W: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net/" class="">www.key-systems.net</a><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""></div><div class=""> Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of
Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br class=""></div><div class=""> CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""></div><div class=""> Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered
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