<html><head></head><body>Hi,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">It's less clear to me, exactly for the reason Matt outlined below. How are we meant to inform any discussion on a UAM, whether it be a model proposed by the TSG or otherwise, until we’ve come up with our own answers to the many questions we still need to tackle? If we had been invited to inform discussions after we had completed phase 2 of our work, it would have been a more straight-forward matter. But that isn’t the case just yet.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Don’t get me wrong. I’m not opposed to working with Goran’s team on this at all. At a minimum, being directly engaged with whatever discussions are taking place with the EC and DPAs is bound to be helpful to informing OUR work. However, I’m still not clear on how WE are the ones who will be “helping inform the discussion…,” at this time. Just saying that we will doesn’t quite do it for me.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Amr</div><div class=""><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 8, 2019, at 3:54 PM, Matt Serlin <<a href="mailto:matt@brandsight.com" class="">matt@brandsight.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Hadia and team,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I agree from Goran’s letter the mandate of the small team is clear…what isn’t quite clear is how that mandate fits into the overall work plan for the broader group and how these two efforts ultimately will merge.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Personally speaking I am very concered that before we have really started our Phase 2 work at all, we are already looking to break off a certain group to work with ICANN on a critically important piece of the puzzle to our success.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">And let’s not forget our old friend Phase 1 which, to date, has not been approved by the Board and even when it is will still need to be implemented.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matt<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="" class="">Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg" class="">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 6:59 AM<br class=""/><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" class="">aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</a>>, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - proposed response to Göran Marby<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">All,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The mandate of the small team is quite clear, and that is to work on helping inform the discussions with the EC and the data protection authorities in relation to a UAM, based on the model proposed by the TSG and the extent to which such a solution diminishes the legal liability of the contracted parties.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So certainly, the role of the small team is not to observe the work of ICANN org and report it back, If this was the purpose, someone from ICANN org could have taken on the role.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Generally speaking the expected output of the whole EPDP team is a scenario that satisfies the above and is accepted by the EC and the data protection authorities. A solution that respects the privacy rights, allows lawful access to third parties with legitimate interests and diminishes the contracted parties legal liabilities.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Kind Regards</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hadia</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-epdp-team [<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Amr Elsadr<br class=""/><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 08, 2019 1:25 PM<br class=""/><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Volker Greimann; <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - proposed response to Göran Marby</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">+1 to this. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Thanks. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Amr<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Sent from Mobile<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:22 PM, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="">Should we maybe add a line that any input from such a small group would only be tentative and subject to confirmation by the whole group? We are at the start of the work here and I have strong reservation of delegating a core part of our work to a small team without even having first outlined the position of the entire group.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">It seems to be too soon for this.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">If on the other hand the only purpose of the small group is to observe the work of ICANN org and report back to the EPDP to inform our deliberations, that would be more acceptable.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Volker<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Am 04.05.2019 um 14:12 schrieb Marika Konings:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Dear EPDP Team,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">On behalf of Janis, per the action item from our last meeting, please find attached the proposed response to Göran in relation to this letter (see<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/marby-to-karklins-drazek-01may19-en.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/marby-to-karklins-drazek-01may19-en.pdf</a>).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Please share any comments you may have by Wednesday 8 May at the latest.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Best regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Caitlin, Berry and Marika</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; 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