<div dir="ltr">Hadia,<div>Thank you for your comment. </div><div>It seems that additional clarification should be provided on the draft approach in relation to the unified access model. </div><div>I see it as a standard, that might be applied possibly in centralized or decentralized manner. Alternative to it would be completely decentralized model without any unified element. It is suggested, at least intention of the draft was to propose working towards development of a standard with understanding that the decision on a way of its application (centralized or decentralized) will be taken at the later stage.</div><div>Theoretically I see also possible combination of both approaches in UAM, whereby some contracting parties may opt for a centralized model but some for decentralized model.</div><div>I hope this clarifies and alleviates your concern.</div><div>My apologies for imperfect formulation in the slide.</div><div>Looking forward to engaging conversation tomorrow.</div><div>JK</div><div> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 12:32 PM Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank you Janis and leadership team and for the proposed EPDP team Phase 2 draft approach, A couple of thoughts to share<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">On the first slide "Draft Approach" you suggest that until legal certainty is available, the policy development related work will be agonistic to the system modalities , where you refer to the
UAM as a centralized model. It is too early to conclude that the issue is centralized vs decentralized, how did we reach this conclusion? Also there are many aspects to centralization which one are we referring too? Our starting point should be our deliverable,
a unified access/disclosure model that is GDPR compliant and reduces the liabilities. The TSG has put the broad lines for a UAM from a technical point of view, which shows the feasibility of an implementable model from a technical aspect. We are still to define
the system from a policy point of view. To that end, I don't see that we should be avoiding discussions about a UAM and that it should be included when discussing work stream 1 issues.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">With regard to the working terminology, I believe we should be referring to the data being disclosed as " nonpublic registration data" and not " Personal Information". We don't need to define
the type of disclosed data, it could be personal or non-personal. Some redacted data items are by definition non-personal information but were redacted because it was though that in conjunction with other pieces of information it could lead to identifying
the data subject. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kind Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hadia<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 14, 2019 9:03 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thank you Janis and the leadership team for providing this draft approach for phase 2. I think this is an excellent start. I have some thoughts/feedback to share after giving this a review.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="gmail-m_-876102893683258269MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:11pt">The objective (first bullet slide 2) is more accurately to develop and agree on “policy recommendations”… rather than “rules and requirements”. This might be semantics
and our policy recommendations may get specific as to the rules and requirements needed, but I think it’s an important distinction to make.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<li class="gmail-m_-876102893683258269MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:11pt">I’m not convinced that the proposed worksheets would be useful. To me they seem similar in nature to the discussion summary indexes from phase 1 (</span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/c.+Temporary+Specification+Discussion+Summary+Indexes" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/c.+Temporary+Specification+Discussion+Summary+Indexes</a>)<span style="font-size:11pt">.
Staff worked hard to create them early in phase 1 but we never really used or leveraged them for our subsequent work. I’m curious what other’s thoughts are.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<li class="gmail-m_-876102893683258269MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:11pt">At the start of our phase 2 work we should be in information gathering mode. A few things come to mind that we should consider.</span>
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<li class="gmail-m_-876102893683258269MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:11pt">At the start of phase 1 we asked for early input from SOs and ACs. I thought this was beneficial in informing our early work and I suggest we consider if something
similar could be done for phase 2.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_-876102893683258269MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:11pt">Is there any training or education that working group members should receive? Early in phase 1 it was arranged for working group members to take an online GDPR class.
I don’t have anything specific in mind, but its worth asking the question if there is something similar that working group members would benefit from for phase 2.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_-876102893683258269MsoNormalCxSpLast"><span style="font-size:11pt">Briefings from experts – We had an opportunity to hear from Becky Burr and ask her questions as a privacy officer and ICANN board member in a session that I think was
very well received. Are there experts we could hear from for phase 2? We’ve discussed previously asking for a briefing from the RPM working group and the Privacy/Proxy IRT. Now might be the time to try and schedule those.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Requests to ICANN org – in our phase 1 report we had a couple of asks of ICANN org. Some of these were intended to provide additional information to inform our phase 2 deliberations.
We should follow up on those phase 1 asks and also consider if there are other asks of ICANN org relevant to phase 2.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">At the ICANN Barcelona meeting there was a high interest panel session on the phase 1 ePDP. Kurt facilitated the sessions with working group members serving as panelists.
For many in the ICANN community this was the first opportunity to get detailed information about how the ePDP was going. The session was well attended and we received a lot of positive feedback. Looking at the schedule, the timing of ICANN 66 might be good
to provide a similar update to the community on phase 2.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I look forward to hearing from others and discussing on our 16 May call.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 08, 2019 5:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Apologies, it looks like the pdf conversion got rid of the ticks. We’ve replaced them with ‘X’ in the attached version.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Caitlin, Berry and Marika<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">"Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 15:35<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ext] RE: For your review - Phase 2 Draft Approach<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Looks like Janis and staff have been busy!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have a question about Slide 7. There are no “X’s” or ticks in the columns for WS 1 and WS 2.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So I can’t tell what this means. Are we proposing (I hope) that WS1 meets on Tuesdays and WS2 meets on Thursdays? Or is this still open-ended?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">--MM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 8, 2019 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - Phase 2 Draft Approach</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Sending on behalf of Janis Karklins</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dear EPDP Team,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Following last week’s meeting, the leadership team and staff support have worked together on developing a draft approach for tackling phase 2. We hope this strikes a balance between the different views expressed
and will form the basis for a detailed work plan with concrete milestones and deliverables. You will find attached a couple of slides that outline our current thinking in further detail, but here are some points I want to emphasize:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">This is a draft approach for discussion and review. Based on your input prior and our discussion during next week’s meeting, we will further iterate and detail our approach,
the proposed work plan and accompanying timeline. This draft is for discussion that, hopefully, will lead to a consensual agreement.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">For the purpose of our exercise it is important to use definitions and terminology with the same understanding. We propose to develop and use working definitions without prejudice
to consensual outcome. Final definitions can only be developed once the Team has finalized its work and agreed on its recommendations.
</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Based on the Team’s feedback in relation to the request to form a small team to engage with ICANN Org, I suggest to keep a plenary setting which will avoid creating a separate
structure and ensure that everyone is part of discussion. Nevertheless, as this work on obtaining legal certainty is ongoing, I would propose that we deal with the charter questions and list of issues identified on slide 5 in an agnostic manner. In other
words, we should refrain at the outset to deliberate on whether or not a System for Standardized Disclosure should be centralized or not, but rather we should focus on the commonalities and where needed identify that differentiation may be required depending
on which model is ultimately determined to be legally compliant with GDPR and workable. I also expect that this approach would help inform the engagement of ICANN org and DPAs.
</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I appreciate that some of you may consider the timeline ambitious, but I’ve heard from almost everyone that the work on a System for Standardized Disclosure is a priority and
as such I am committed to setting a target date for us to work towards. This will require your support and dedication. I am pretty confident I can count on that.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I look forward to receiving your feedback and would like to encourage you to focus your input on what, why and how things could or should be done differently, instead of simply saying that something cannot
be acceptable or should not be done. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Janis Karklins</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Marika Konings</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) </span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Email: <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a> </span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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