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<p>Please note that the Board in its recent letter noted that “In anticipation of the EPDP Team’s additional needs, the Board has already earmarked additional resources. Release of these resources is contingent on the approval of a detailed work plan and resources
identified by the GNSO Council”. As such, the EPDP Team should focus on identifying which legal questions are essential in addressing phase 2 issues based on which a better assessment can be made whether or not additional resources are needed. Of course, there
may be additional needs that arise in the course of the deliberations and as noted, the process for obtaining such additional resources is to request those via the GNSO Council.
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<p>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Caitlin, Berry and Marika<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Greg Aaron <greg@illumintel.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 15:34<br>
<b>To: </b>'Matt Serlin' <matt@brandsight.com>, 'Volker Greimann' <vgreimann@key-systems.net>, "gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] legal advice and budget<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Start thinking about the contingency now, please, Janis. When we hear Marika say the first round of questions will almost exhaust the budget, that’s a warning sign the budget’s possibly too small to begin with. As Matt says, guidance
is critical. Failure to plan now should not prevent us from doing our jobs in the months ahead. And heaven knows what additional twists we may face.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Serlin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2019 12:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] legal advice and budget<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Volker…it’s hard to ask for more budget when we don’t actually know what we are going to be spending with the yet and we haven’t exactly formulated what additional interaction we may have with B&B as we move forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having said that, if the group determines we do need additional legal guidance and input, I’d like to think we will be able to get additional funds should that be needed at some point down the road. Legal guidance will be absolutely critical
here and I’d hate to see budget issues get in the way of a high quality outcome. I just don’t think we’re there yet.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Matt. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-epdp-team <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>
on behalf of Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 9:58 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] legal advice and budget</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Before we start looking at a bigger pot to spend, lets first see if we can cull needless questions and make better use of the funds we do have.
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<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 23.05.2019 um 17:51 schrieb Greg Aaron:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Janis, if more budget may be needed for legal advice, can you start the process of acquiring it?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marika noted in chat today: “Do also note that there is a limited budget available - passing all these questions on may take up most of that budget which might prevent follow up on any further questions the group may have.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This PDP is fundamentally about legal issues, and having access to legal advice is essential. This is a place where ICANN should be spending resources. Please see SAC104, where SSAC raised this issue to the Council last December:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“2.2 Legal Advice v The EPDP has been largely about legal issues, but the EPDP team has not [always] had access to neutral, expert, outside legal advice. [Bird & Bird was not retained until late into Phase 1.] This is a notable omission
given the consequences and regulatory complexity of the work. The SSAC urges the GNSO Council to re-examine this as further policy-making takes place in 2019 and beyond. This subject is a worthy place to spend ICANN budget given the priority and nature of
the work, and a place to apply all the professional tools at ICANN’s disposal, in order to carry out ICANN’s responsibility to ensure the stable and secure operation of the Internet's unique identifier systems.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">… neutral legal advice would provide substantial benefit by fostering common understandings, consensus, and confidence in the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">deliberations and work product. In particular, it may help policy-makers understand the options available to them, given that bodies such as the European Data Protection Board and the national data commissioners are not in a position to
answer many questions or evaluate policy proposals.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-104-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-104-en.pdf</a>
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