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<p class="MsoNormal">Janis,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to ask you to reconsider your decision to withdraw the proposal for a legal advisory group. Your proposal makes a lot of sense and I support it as a path for handling legal questions facing the working group. The inclusion
of Volker (general counsel at a European registrar) and Leon (Intellectual Property Lawyer and ICANN board member) would be an excellent addition to the 6 members and alternates you initially asked to join the group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Whether the group is comprised of these 8 members or constituted as a representative group (as was done in phase 1), it would still seem to meet the goal of lightening the workload of the full team and preparing the ground in a smaller
professional setting. The alternative of having all legal questions discussed and decisions made in plenary with full participation of all members effectively triples the numbers involved (30 members and liaisons) and also takes up valuable plenary time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your consideration,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Marc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janis Karklins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 04, 2019 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rosette, Kristina <rosettek@amazon.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Legal Advisory Group modalities<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear EPDP Team,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you know, some Team members have asked to join the proposed Legal Advisory Group in addition to Chair's nominated candidates. These requests by themselves are fully legitimate and demonstrate commitment of Team members to the task entrusted
to us by the community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From other side, idea to form the Group was largely driven by desire to lighten the workload of the Team and preparing the ground for the Team decision in a smaller professional setting. It was never my intention to propose the Legal Advisory
Group being representative. Requests to join the Group and make it representative in reality defeats the purpose of the suggestion. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, I have decided to withdraw my proposal to form a Legal Advisory Group. All legal questions as currently will be discussed and decisions will be made in a plenary setting with full participation of all members of the Team. Background
materials for these deliberations will be prepared by Staff prior circulation to the Team for consideration.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope this decision will find your understanding<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:31 PM Rosette, Kristina via Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Marc, Alan and I support Volker’s inclusion, given his registrar-related and legal expertise.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 03, 2019 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Legal Advisory Group modalities<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Janis,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>it feels like an oversight, but it appears the RrSG is not represented in this group. To correct this oversight, I hereby volunteer.
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<p>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker Greimann<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Am 31.05.2019 um 19:38 schrieb Janis Karklins:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear EPDP Team,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Further to the discussion in our recent meeting, please find an outline of the approach to handling legal questions and the chair-appointed members of the Legal Advisory Group.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Those of you who participated in Phase 1 will remember we established a Legal Committee to review and revise proposed legal questions to ensure:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(1) the questions are truly legal in nature, as opposed to policy or policy implementation questions;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(2) the questions are phrased in a neutral manner, avoiding both presumed outcomes as well as constituency positioning;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(3) the questions are both apposite and timely to the EPDP Team’s work; and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(4) the limited budget for external legal counsel is being used responsibly.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In order to forward these goals, I proposed that I work together with a small team of chair-appointed legal experts to review legal questions as they come in. The membership of
this team is not representative, but expertise based. Members of the Legal Advisory Group are asked to provide advice based on their legal experience, factoring in all aspects of the conversation, not only that of their respective constituency. It is important
to state that any output of deliberations of the Legal Advisory Group will be shared with the EPDP Team for review and agreement.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">At this time, I do not anticipate a weekly meeting schedule; the Legal Advisory Group will meet on an as-needed basis. The meetings will be open to anyone from the EPDP Team who
would like to attend; however, only the chair-appointed legal experts will be invited to speak.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have also asked EPDP Support Staff to provide a recommendation for an initial categorization of the clarifying legal questions received. Specifically, Support Staff has reviewed
the questions to determine:<o:p></o:p></p>
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1.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>if the questions relate to Phase 2 issues identified in the Mind Map, i.e., charter questions, questions in the Annex: Important Issues for Further Community Action, or issues deferred from Phase 1.
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2.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>If the question is NOT related to the EPDP Team’s Phase 2 work, it will not be reviewed further. If the question does relate to Phase 2 work, Support Staff will align the question with the relevant Phase 2 issue
and determine if the Phase 2 issue is a Priority 1 or a Priority 2 item. <o:p></o:p></p>
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3.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>Priority 1 questions, or questions related to a system for standardized access/disclosure, will be reviewed first.
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4.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>Priority 2 items will be moved to the corresponding worksheets for further discussion following EPDP Team agreement on the scope and expected deliverable of the topic. <o:p></o:p></p>
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5.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>Once the initial parameters are agreed to, the Legal Advisory Group can better determine necessary legal guidance (if any) and will begin working on the Priority 1 questions identified.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have asked the following members to the Team to donate their time to the Legal Advisory Group:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Laureen Kapin
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Brian King<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Margie Milam<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thomas Rickert
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kristina Rosette
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Tatiana Tropina
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I invited these individuals due to their legal expertise, but also that they would provide diverse views to ensure that the different perspectives on the EPDP Team will be considered.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Legal Advisory Group’s activities will be supported by ICANN staff and ICANN Org liaison (Legal) will attend the meetings and will be engaging with the Group when asked.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You will find an updated table with Support Staff’s preliminary recommendations attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">JK<o:p></o:p></p>
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