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<p>Hi Ariel,</p>
<p>we are concerned with your assumption under Action Item 1. <br>
</p>
<p>We were working under the understanding that this would be
subject to another plenary session and we did not have sufficient
time to deliberate the eqarly input document with the entire
group. Also, just because no clarifying questions have been
raised does not mean that the contents of the document are a
consensus position agreed by all. No questions means just that, no
questions. But not necessarily agreement. <br>
</p>
<p>We may very well end up agreeing with the contents of the
document, but we are not there yet. <br>
</p>
<p>We therefore respectfully request that this not be taken as basis
for drefting the initial report quite just yet.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Volker Greimann<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.07.2019 um 17:10 schrieb Ariel
Liang:<br>
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<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear
EPDP Team:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Below,
please find the notes and action items from yesterday’s EPDP
Team Meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">As
a reminder, the next EPDP Team Meeting will be Thursday, 1
August at 14:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><br>
Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Marika,
Caitlin, Berry (and Ariel – assisted with notetaking)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">EPDP Phase 2 -
Meeting #12</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thursday, 25 July
2019</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> at
14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span
style="color:#333333">Action Items: </span><o:p></o:p></u></b></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l27
level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
If no further clarifying questions are submitted in response
to the early input document by the deadline (25 July 2019),
staff to consider the comments in the development of the
draft policy recommendations and draft Initial Report. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l27
level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
Staff to set up survey for the EPDP Team to rank and
identify the most representative case in each group of the
use case categorization. EPDP Team to complete the survey by
COB
<b>Monday, 29 July</b>. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l27
level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
Staff to compile the input submitted on
automation/accreditation to assist the EPDP Team in its
substantive discussions during next week’s call and future
calls. Leadership team to develop initial thoughts paper on
accreditation to kick start discussions.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l27
level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
Chris Lewis-Evans to incorporate input received from the
EPDP Team and continue fine tuning the use case (GAC
LEA1-13719-1), which is expected to be attached in the annex
to the Initial Report. Updated version to be posted on the
Wiki and the leadership to make a further recommendation for
how to finalize the use case. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l27
level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
In meeting on Thursday, 1 August, the EPDP Team to devote
part of the meeting to discuss initial reaction from members
on the SSAC Crime-Abuse Investigation Use Case. EPDP Team to
provide input by writing no later than
<b>14:00 UTC on Monday, 29 July</b>. More detailed
discussion about this use case will take place in the
meeting on 8 August. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Notes </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">These high-level
notes are designed to help the EPDP Team navigate through
the content of the call and are not meant as a substitute
for the transcript and/or recording. The MP3, transcript,
and chat are provided separately and are posted on the
wiki at:<span class="apple-converted-space"> <a
href="https://community.icann.org/x/l6ajBg"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/l6ajBg</a>
</span></span></i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">1. Roll Call & SOI Updates (5
minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
Attendance will be taken from Zoom<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
Remember to mute your microphones upon entry to Zoom, which
is typically the first icon on the left on the bottom
toolbar.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
Please state your name before speaking for transcription
purposes.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
Please remember to review your SOIs on a regular basis and
update as needed. Updates are required to be shared with the
EPDP Team<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">2. Confirmation of agenda (Chair)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l25
level1 lfo15;vertical-align:baseline">
No objections <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">3. Welcome and housekeeping issues
(Chair) (10 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">a) Update from Legal Committee</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l25
level1 lfo15;vertical-align:baseline">
Started out by reviewing prior session’s action items and
questions <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l25
level1 lfo15;vertical-align:baseline">
Reviewed the remaining questions, narrowed down the scope,
and those questions will be evaluated based on the needs of
Phase 2. Near term goal is to understand all the legal
requirements and try to develop sizing for requesting
additional resources from the Board. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l25
level1 lfo15;vertical-align:baseline">
Next LC meeting is 6 August. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">b) Early input review status (deadline
25 July)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo17;vertical-align:baseline">
A number of groups responded to the EPDP Team’s request for
early input. This input was subsequently organized by staff
in the form of an early input review tool. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo17;vertical-align:baseline">
Following EPDP Team discussion, input regarding SSAD has
been incorporated into SSAD worksheet for EPDP Team review.
In addition, the EPDP Team agreed to review the input
received and document any clarifying questions in the google
doc that was created.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo17;vertical-align:baseline">
Deadline for clarifying questions on the early input was
Thursday 25 July. No comments/questions were received at the
time of the call. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo17;vertical-align:baseline">
ACTION ITEM: If no further clarifying questions are
submitted in response to the early input document by the
deadline (25 July 2019), staff to consider the comments in
the development of the draft policy recommendations and
draft Initial Report. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">4. Use Cases Categorization (10
minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">a) Review proposed categorization put
forward by small team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
A small group of volunteers agreed to work with staff. Based
on the original staff categorization and incorporating input
from NCSG, BC and IPC, staff/volunteers went through a
number of iterations to review the use cases. Important to
note that no use case has been eliminated as a result of
this exercise. Objective is to identify the most
representative case for each category as a starting point
for the deliberations. Following review of the most
representative use case in each category, the EPDP Team can
then decide whether additional cases need to be reviewed. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
5 groups, as noted on the document. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
Appreciation to Milton, Margie, Chris, and Brian for their
contributions to this exercise. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
Chair’s proposal: Identify in each group, the most
representative use case that the EPDP Team should look at
first, starting from Group 1. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
We have already made decisions where to start. First group
1. After that, group 2, move to group 4 and then group 3 or
5. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
Staff to put in survey format and ask EPDP Team members to
respond to the survey by COB Monday, 29 July. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
Review the representative use case first, and see whether
any issue associated other use cases that warrant being
reviewed. Not sure whether there is time to do an in depth
review of each of them. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
For the rest of the cases, maybe only look at the
differences instead of an in depth review. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo18;vertical-align:baseline">
Would it be useful to map the stages (e.g., a series of
questions) that a compliant organization must go through as
it determines whether it is a legitimate request for
information. Who? What scope? Under what authority? Etc.
Left column of the use cases are geared toward answering
those questions and providing a framework for discussions.
In reality we are talking about rather simple system. Supply
is the Registry/Registrar, and they have the building
blocks. Going through the use cases is to understand each of
the building blocks. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">b) Confirm proposed categorization</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
No objection <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">c) Confirm new ranking survey &
deadline to determine most representative use case in each
category</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Staff to set up survey for the EPDP Team to rank and
identify the most representative case in each group of the
use case categorization. EPDP Team to complete the survey by
COB Monday, 29 July. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:8.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#FCFCFC"><span
style="color:#333333">5. Use case – first reading: </span><a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/111386876/SSAC%20Crime-Abuse%20Investigation%20Use%20Case%20-%2011%20July%202019.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1562865007000&api=v2"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0052CC">Investigation
of criminal activity where domain names are used. Typical
specific example: phishing attack</span></a><span
style="color:#333333"> (60 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Chair’s proposal: EPDP Team to identify the difficulty in
the first reading of the case (SSAC Crime-Abuse
Investigation Use Case), present them in writing and share
on the mailing list. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Defer the discussion of the use case till 8 Aug due to
Greg’s absence during next week’s meeting? Provide initial
overview during today’s meeting with ability for EPDP Team
to share initial observations during today’s and next week’s
meeting, followed by in depth review during 8 August EPDP
Team meeting.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Review a set of tasks / purposes that occur in a number of
cyber crime cases. Some are done by investigators in private
realm. Some steps are done by law enforcement due to the
same goal. Purpose here is to explain how things work
practically and see what issues would surface. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Start with practical instances (i.e., recital 49) about the
processing of data. Then compromised/malicious
registrations. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Section A, law enforcement may also rely on these parties
and techniques. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Section B, Tasks 1-2: reasons why the data are requested and
used. Maliciously registered means somebody uses the domain
name to commit a crime. If a domain name is maliciously
registered, suspending the domain name is an option. If a
domain name is compromised, you don’t want to suspend the
domain. Reputational providers do not generally block
domains. Some just list domain names and say don’t have
anything to do with them. You need to determine what
additional domains may be related. The issue is dealing with
ongoing harm. You can determine what other domain names are
on the same IP address, which may not be operated by the
same bad actor. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Section B, Task 3: If the contact data is bogus, it is a
sign of bad faith. Sometimes criminals do a poor job of
faking the data. Accessing accuracy is important. Comment
from EPDP Team members: Bogus data is not automatically a
sign of bad faith. And your accuracy check has to be done by
compliance. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Section B, Task 4: Need to document the case and preserve
the reason why you made the decision of suspending the
domain name and substantiate why the domain name is
problematic. Be responsible and give decision makers the
information they need. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Section B, Task 5: law enforcement and private parties do
this. Private parties may want to avoid associated assets. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Section B, Task 6: many aspects involve automation. Some
block lists use algorism. The system that protects people
involve a high degree of automation. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
So how does 49 relate to domain names? When domains are as
the mechanism for the cybercrime attack, the “ability of a
network to resist…” will largely be based on the ability to
continue to allow traffic from said domain, or (as Greg is
explaining) to block / reject any further traffic from or
access to said domain.<span style="font-family:"MS
Gothic"" lang="ZH-CN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
How can you describe things generally and then go to nitty
gritty issues like automation. you need to be very specific
in other fields as well. Don’t see a Use Case here. Need
clear explanation on how all those recitals and all the
clauses apply to these issues. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
It is an issue with the law but not what ICANN/EPDP Team can
fix. We still have to apply the law as best as possible, but
EPDP Team cannot make any effort to change the law. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
The EPDP Team needs to work on how to deal with the balance
of the law. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
The internet will die far faster if people are advocating
breaking it because people did not involve themselves in the
crafting of such law. For example the e-privacy regulations
were stalled because an affected party advocated on how the
law would have an unintended consequence. Again ICANN cannot
fix the way it is, we can only figure out a way of making
the "new" post GDPR world better .... including shaping
future legislative endeavors - not by ICANN policy
supporting a bending of that law.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
They should be reported to law enforcement. Not like Brian
Krebs just putting out info of the attackers wife on a
public blog.
<a
href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/07/who-is-the-govrat-author-and-mirai-botmaster-bestbuy/"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<span style="color:#1155CC">https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/07/who-is-the-govrat-author-and-mirai-botmaster-bestbuy/</span></a><span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic"" lang="ZH-CN">
</span>
security researchers need to do their research diligently
without harming those who are not involved.<span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic"" lang="ZH-CN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Suggest that people do their research on how investigations
by private actors are managed under DP law in the meantime,
and talk about the case the following week. While cybercrime
is a good example of rampant regulatory avoidance, it is not
the only one. However, it does not work well under data
protection law (competition law also being relevant but not
in our remit).<span style="font-family:"MS
Gothic"" lang="ZH-CN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
The need is to stop the harmful activity, it is not to
identify the guilty party. You don’t need redacted data to
substantiate the domain. There will be a lot of information
that won’t be redacted. Support efforts by private actors to
sweep through the information to stop attacks, but we don’t
need to open up the data. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
The practical issue is that the vast majority of the cases
do not involve law enforcement or are being reported. Law
enforcement does not have the resources. A lot is done by
relying on contract. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
Phone number is relevant when its relevant. This use case
doesn't cover those instances where passive DNS (for
example) was sufficient. They do exist, but not relevant to
this use case<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic""
lang="ZH-CN">
</span>. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo19;vertical-align:baseline">
ACTION ITEM: In the meeting on Thursday, 1 August, the EPDP
Team to devote part of the meeting to discuss initial
reaction from members on the SSAC Crime-Abuse Investigation
Use Case. EPDP Team to provide input by writing no later
than 14:00 UTC on Monday, 29 July. More detailed discussion
about this use case will take place in the meeting on 8
August. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#FCFCFC"><span
style="color:#333333">6. Use case – final reading:
</span><a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/111386876/Use%20Case%20-%20GAC%20LEA1-13719.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1563377116000&api=v2"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0052CC">Investigation
of criminal activity against a victim in the jurisdiction
of the investigating EU LEA requesting data from a
non-local data controller</span></a><span
style="color:#333333"> (30 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:16.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level1 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
Chair’s Proposal: deal with this item before the first
reading of item #5<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level1 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
Starting from g) Safeguards (requirements) applicable to the
Entity Disclosing the Nonpublic Registration Data <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level1 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
See responses from Chris Lewis-Evans to comments submitted
by RrSG on this use case. Chris agrees with Registrar
group’s suggestion re Section C, as it gives an increasing
level of accuracy. Agree with the suggested change in
Section D by the registry group. Section F, agree with the
suggested change.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level1 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
Chris Lewis-Evans will also consider additional registrars’
comments/questions. Registrar reps indicated that they will
need a couple of days to review the responses Chris provided
and may respond further on the list once they have had a
chance to do that. Don’t take silence as complete agreement.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level1 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
Re 6(1)F, the legal authority needs to be identified. EPDP
Team is not expert to verify that. Ensure that LEA
establishes the legal authority itself. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level1 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
Section H: <o:p></o:p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level2 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
Clarify the comments from registrars, add safeguards
under automated system which may be different. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level2 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
Need to have a discussion about how the automated system
works. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l14
level2 lfo22;vertical-align:baseline">
Probably useful to drop a footnote in the template to
provide the explanation Chris just gave so it’s clear on
its face and avoids later confusion and uncertainty. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level1 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Section I, no further comments/requests. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level1 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Section J: <o:p></o:p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
First time discussing accreditation. It is a chicken-egg
situation, as it depends on the standardized system.
Jurisdiction and legal basis would be necessary for an
accreditation body to look at. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
There are differences between accreditation and
validation. Some suggested to first discuss validation
first, as it has different forms which can or cannot be
automated. Accreditation might then be fully automated. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
“Validation” probably means “authentication” that is
covered in Section K. We need to deal with accreditation
first before authentication. There may be one
exceptional case that one can be authenticated before
accreditation, but it does not justify changing the
default order.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
This depends on the implementation of the standard
system. Even we don’t end up with having a centralized
system, we can still do it. A decentralized system can
still have value. The same standards can be centralized
and also applied in decentralized way.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
The “code of conduct” may not be part of the
accreditation. Disclosure / nondisclosure related issues
belong more in the safeguard section. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
EPDP Team can create a special accreditation entity that
consists of one group or many groups. There are a number
of options. But first need to see whether there is a
broad agreement that accreditation as a principle should
be introduced in the standard. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
EPDP Team needs a set of definitions because people are
using the terms in different ways, and for
accreditation, there are two aspects. Accredditing of a
group to be eligible to use a system (or make a manual
request) and accrediting an individual requester to be
part of that group.<span style="font-family:"MS
Gothic"" lang="ZH-CN">
</span> This is what we
currently have in the chair’s working definitions
document: “Accreditation – refers to the process or
action of recognizing a person as having a particular
identity, possibly with an associated affiliation or
status.”<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
See Chair’s working definitions here: <a
href="https://community.icann.org/x/-5WjBg%5C"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<span style="color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/x/-5WjBg</span></a>.
Strongly suggest to flesh out the details when people
are using different meanings for the same terms. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
There is no accreditation body that the EPDP Team needs
to define or create. The EPDP Team does not need to
determine what the accreditation elements/criteria are.
Specifically about the LEA, it is up to the law
enforcement and the coalition of law enforcement bodies
to do it. Part of this comment will represent part of
the policy statement. As a policy matter, there should
be accreditation, the accreditation should ensure
certain aspects/points, etc. We can develop general
policies on accreditation and it is in our work plan. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
There would be some “approved” list of accredited based
on some the set of criteria.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Another consideration, albeit not an immediate problem,
is about authoritarian government, human rights
protection, cloud act, etc. We can accredit a law
enforcement agency as a legitimate one, but if there is
a national law that allows the agency to investigate or
harass people that criticize the government, how do we
want to handle that? Do we want to have additional human
rights protection attached to the accreditation
criteria? <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
A lot of those human rights concerns can be addressed by
the terms of use, ensuring there is strong enforcement
of the terms of use. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
General policies to keep authoritarian countries away
from disclosure and accreditation? Don’t think this
group can do that. Also some of these countries are
allegedly undertaking cyber attacks. Whatever this LEA
accreditation body would be, civil society would
definitely have to be involved in the definitions, but
this is outside of our remit. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Somebody accredited does not mean he/she has a valid
request. You have to review each request to ensure it is
valid. There is a responsibility for the entity that
releases the data to validate the request. We all agree
at this point that accreditation doesn't assume
guaranteed access. A valid form of accreditation is
merely a factor in the 6(1)f balance - or in the case of
jurisdiction - a confirmation that there is a legal
obligation on that controller in that jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Does every single contracted party need to act as its
accreditation body? This may not be implementable. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
The correct safeguards for both the accreditation and
the authentication levels need to be developed. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
If we are talking about a fully automated accreditation
process, law enforcement organizations can be done
easily, but not so easy to accredit other kinds of
organizations. Need some human intervention. Also need a
decision making process, which can be automated
possibly. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Staff have grouped the input on accreditation together,
aligning with the relevant charter questions (but no
definition): <o:p></o:p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="square">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level3 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
b) What are the unanswered policy questions that
will guide implementation? <span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic""
lang="ZH-CN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level3 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
b1) How will credentials be granted and managed? <span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic""
lang="ZH-CN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level3 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
b2) Who is responsible for providing credentials? <span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic""
lang="ZH-CN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level3 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
b3) How will these credentials be integrated into
registrars’/registries’ technical systems?<span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic""
lang="ZH-CN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Chair’s proposal: When accreditation is discussed next
time, Staff to pull out their compilation of everything
that has been submitted on accreditation and
identification related processes to help inform EPDP
Team’s further deliberation on this fundamental building
block. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level1 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Section L: <o:p></o:p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Come back to “credentialing” in a more structured way
when reviewing the next case. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
We add a footnote to note it.<span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic"" lang="ZH-CN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level1 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Section M: <o:p></o:p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
it is up to the LEA whether there is any urgency. In
certain cases, a specific quick turn around may be
necessary, but 2 days across the board may be too
restrictive. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
There is concept of acknowledging the requests, whether
the data will be delivered. Some requests have higher
priority and some requests demand different levels of
confidentiality. Need to accommodate these concepts. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
If you have a lot of requests, you have to staff up too.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
Maybe Section M and Section O should be different. The
level of requests is just for the LEA’s consideration,
and that level is generally lower than other kinds of
requests. Maybe 4 business days would be more than
reasonable? Some exceptions can be made and listened
to. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l18
level2 lfo24;vertical-align:baseline">
We cannot apply go daddy standards to all Registrars. It
is a long tail data set, and many registrars may have
one request/day, aligning with their size of business.
There is a natural balancing. Also need to factor in
that not all registrars will receive the same volume of
requests - this may be aligned with the # of domain
names under management. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l9
level1 lfo27;vertical-align:baseline">
Section N:<o:p></o:p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l9
level2 lfo27;vertical-align:baseline">
Is it possible to have an automated decision? How
determinations are made when there is disagreement? We
can automate processes, but not all processes can be
automated. Need to evaluate all the information received
before moving forward. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l9
level2 lfo27;vertical-align:baseline">
If an LEA makes a request for 10,000 records all based
on the same legal basis and investigation, could the
request be manually reviewed but once approved the
delivery of the data automatic? <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l9
level2 lfo27;vertical-align:baseline">
There may be instances that some data fields can be
released safely for bona fide parties. Automated does
not mean all the way to finish, it can be 80% of the
process. This is important to know by the practitioner. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l9
level2 lfo27;vertical-align:baseline">
All the details regarding use cases are relevant to what
can be automated or not. Focus on the use cases first
and then circle back to this question. Automation is one
of the charter questions and building blocks. <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo28;vertical-align:baseline">
Section N: <o:p></o:p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5
level2 lfo28;vertical-align:baseline">
Suggest removing the word “possible” and leaving
“desirable”. A “possible" question should remain in the
template, though we may want to separate it from
"desirable"<span style="font-family:"MS
Gothic"" lang="ZH-CN">
</span> Data retention
would be subject to legal requirements in the
jurisdiction of the LEA would it not? Might be better to
ask whether automation is consistent with legal
requirements/legal basis<span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic"" lang="ZH-CN">
</span>.<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l21
level1 lfo29;vertical-align:baseline">
Section P: not so clear, suggest the same language used in
the previous section for retention. There is no blanket
answer. <o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l21
level1 lfo29;vertical-align:baseline">
ACTION ITEM: Staff to compile the input submitted on
automation/accreditation to assist the EPDP Team in its
substantive discussions during next week’s call and future
calls. Leadership team to develop initial thoughts paper on
accreditation to kick start discussions.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l21
level1 lfo29;vertical-align:baseline">
ACTION ITEM: Chris Lewis-Evans to incorporate input received
from the EPDP Team and continue fine tuning the use case
(GAC LEA1-13719-1), which is expected to be attached in the
annex to the Initial Report. Updated version to be posted on
the Wiki and the leadership to make a further recommendation
for how to finalize the use case.<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:8.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#FCFCFC"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#FCFCFC"><span
style="color:#333333">7. Any other business (5 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">a) Priority 2 small team meetings
update</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">(1) Accuracy and WHOIS ARS (see </span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1pS9Pibanj-2DHp6LztZpeERtxdoLsnp4y-5F-2Ddo0vU5VJuw_edit&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=5YD7bD56hEe4pQH_dqUWfn942ryJsY558QEJfweSvL4&s=F6hmCB4N05tXAmHo8nuMH6_4YK5hSWXaa5p8T0SNwXw&e="
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0052CC">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pS9Pibanj-Hp6LztZpeERtxdoLsnp4y_-do0vU5VJuw/edit[docs.google.com]</span></a><span
style="color:#333333">)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">(2) Input received on other priority 2
items from RrSG (see</span><a
href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-team/2019-June/002174.html"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0052CC">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-team/2019-June/002174.html</span></a><span
style="color:#333333">)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">(3) Leadership to recommend next steps
via mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">b) Council request for input on org
letter requesting clarification on Data Accuracy and Phase-2
(see
</span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_default_files_file_field-2Dfile-2Dattach_marby-2Dto-2Ddrazek-2D21jun19-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=5YD7bD56hEe4pQH_dqUWfn942ryJsY558QEJfweSvL4&s=YeVJr1ZFqKyDvbIDvXURXaal3PB4fqg3oghAsQwtfSA&e="
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0052CC">https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/marby-to-drazek-21jun19-en.pdf[gnso.icann.org]</span></a><span
style="color:#333333">). EPDP Team to provide input on the
mailing list. Confirm deadline for input. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
style="color:#333333;margin-top:8.0pt;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l19
level1 lfo30;background:#FCFCFC;vertical-align:baseline">
The EPDP Team did not address these agenda items <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:8.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#FCFCFC"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:#FCFCFC"><span
style="color:#333333">8. Wrap and confirm next EPDP Team
meeting on Thursday 1 August 2019 at 14.00 UTC (5 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">a) Confirm action items</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:16.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:#333333">b) Confirm questions for ICANN Org, if
any</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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