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First, it’s not true that working lunches haven’t accomplished much - they have
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<div>Second, how about a bloody non-working lunch? Or two? Where we can chat and informally network? We will be working intensively for 8 hours at least. </div>
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<div>Info through epdp team members requires “extraordinary time” nor is it true that you save time doing it the other way (indeed, that’s obviously a self-contradictory position.) We are discussing use cases at length and any information or arguments made
in those discussions should not be given a privileged status, they come in via team members. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Milton L Mueller
<div>Professor, School of Public Policy</div>
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On Aug 2, 2019, at 19:29, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I disagree. Working lunch meetings rarely accomplish much, so scheduling what may be an interesting presentation, even if from a particular perspective (and known to be) can be both informative and useful. Those who choose to just eat and not
pay attention are free to do so.<br>
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The suggestion to route any useful information through a EPDP member presumes we will be willing to give a member a significant and extraordinary time slot to do so and I would not advocate doing that.<br>
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We have three lunch slots and I would welcome other presentations of interest/use for the other two days.<br>
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At 02/08/2019 06:55 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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Much as I would love to hear more about MSFT’s digital crimes unit (I already have seen some of their presentations and we’ve interviewed one of their botnet fighters in connection with research we are doing) I think after our not-so-great experiences with
external presentations in Marrakech the group really needs to “just say no†to any additional presentations of this sort. Please, let’s not encourage these requests anymore, let’s put an end to this precedent.
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We have to be aware of the fact that these presentations are not neutral and purely informational, they come from serious players with a stake in the process. Microsoft is represented on the EPDP and through the BC. IF they can bring useful information to bear
on our discussions of use cases they can do it through their EPDP representative in line with our regular discussions, in which we all have equal status.
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Dr. Milton L Mueller<br>
Georgia Institute of Technology<br>
School of Public Policy<br>
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<b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ayden Férdeline<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 2, 2019 6:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Janis Karklins <<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-lead@icann.org">gnso-epdp-lead@icann.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Experts for the lunch time presentations during the LA f2f meeting<br>
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It is a very short face-to-face meeting, and I imagine we will have a lot on the agenda and hopefully the excellent external facilitators present. I would prefer that we not have any additional, external presenters during the face-to-face - though I am certainly
happy to join a webinar over the coming weeks to hear what anyone has to say.<br>
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Best wishes, <br>
Ayden Férdeline <br>
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On Friday, 2 August 2019 05:30, Janis Karklins <<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<dl><dd>Dear team members, </dd><dd> </dd><dd>I am writing to you in inform that I have received offer from Mark Svancarek to bring an expert from Microsoft’s Digital Crimes Unit and to make a (lunch time) presentation of their routine practices in investigating cases of concern to Microsoft. I think
such a presentation would help us foster understand challenges facing digital wrongdoing investigators from private companies.
</dd><dd> </dd><dd>I also would like to ask if there would be any other experts who could make lunchtime presentations either onsite or remotely.
</dd><dd> </dd><dd>I would be grateful for your thoughts on the proposal above. </dd><dd> </dd><dd>Thank you </dd><dd>JK </dd><dd> <br>
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