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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey James,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Completely agree with your final paragraph. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And it might be even more correct to say simply:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Personal data must be protected.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even disclosed data is still protected by, for example, the safeguards of data minimization, data retention periods, data processing agreements by the requestor, etc. Agreed that our challenge is to create an SSAD that passes muster.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 30, 2019 9:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> King, Brian <Brian.King@markmonitor.com>; farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Zero-Draft Doc- Assessment of the data being requested<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">Hi Brian. I think you have this part:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><i><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">“So, the data must be disclosed unless there’s a legal basis for withholding it.”</span></i><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">Exactly backwards. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">One of the key principles of GDPR (and other privacy laws, including California which will become the de facto US model) is privacy by design/privacy
by default. Any requests that the controller feels are in a gray area must be rejected unless/until the legal basis is strengthened. So it would be more correct to say that <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><i><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">“The data must be protected, unless there is a legal basis for disclosing it.”</span></i><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">Why do we keep harping on this? Because as a contracted parties and data controllers, we
<u>need</u> SSAD to work, but also stand up to scrutiny and the inevitable legal challenges. If we work our tails off for two years to create a disclosure framework, only to see it promptly knocked down by courts or government regulators, then that puts us
exactly in the same spot we were before the Temp Spec. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">James Bladel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 30, 2019 06:56<br>
<b>To:</b> farzaneh badii<br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO EPDP<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Zero-Draft Doc- Assessment of the data being requested
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">Hi Farzaneh,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">That’s not quite right. We decided that CPs could differentiate in the context of publication/redaction, not in the context of SSAD. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">In the SSAD context, the act of withholding data when someone needs it, without a legal basis for withholding it (i.e. application of privacy law), would
be legally problematic for the entity withholding access. In this case, withholding the data could make the controller secondarily liable for the bad actor’s conduct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:#333333">So, the data must be disclosed unless there’s a legal basis for withholding it. For legal persons and natural persons not covered
by data privacy law, there is no legal basis for withholding the data, and there should be no balancing test. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Aug 30, 2019, at 7:22 AM, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Step 2, is not correct. It says that if the data is non-EEA data may be released with no balancing test performed. In phase one we agreed that the contracted parties can make geo diff if they want. The ones that do not do geo diff should definitely follow
the disclosure policy we are coming up with and perform the balancing test regardless of EEA or non-EEA data. I don't think they should just release the data. As we argued, ICANN's policies are global. If disclosure is global, data protection has to be global
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