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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Janis,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">all. I tend to agree and as I will miss at least part oft he call today let me reiterate that we should at least give a date by which we need a response.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 10. Oktober 2019 um 14:28<br>
<b>An: </b>Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com>, "King, Brian" <Brian.King@markmonitor.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Betreff: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Homework: Updated Draft of Board Letter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Hello Janis –</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I appreciate your efforts to find a way forward, but if fail to present a direct question on Org risk to the Board, then I think we should reconsider the value of sending the letter
at all. But let’s discuss on today’s call.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 06:47<br>
<b>To: </b>"King, Brian" <Brian.King@markmonitor.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com>, Matt Serlin <matt@brandsight.com>, "Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <marksv@microsoft.com>, "gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Homework: Updated Draft of Board Letter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Team members, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems that divergence of views on the last sentence persist. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, in my capacity of facilitator of the Team conversation, I propose to end the letter by simple courtesy phrase:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Reply to this latter would greatly facilitate the work of the Team towards Initial Report.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pls consider this proposal by our call. If objection will be made, we will let the last sentence out of the text.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:01 AM King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi James,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sorry I wasn’t more clear. I think we’re actually on the same page here.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We should absolutely tell the board what we’re considering, explain what it requires of ICANN, and ask for “Board input on the level of involvement and amount of liability they
are willing to assume for ICANN org” as the penultimate sentence requests. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My point on the last sentence is that we’re not ready to say what we might do if the Board fails to respond at all, or if the Board tells us they’re unwilling to accept such an
outcome. It seems we don’t have consensus on that (and I really hope it doesn’t come to that). Since we don’t have consensus on that, let’s scrap it. The rest of the letter is fantastic. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So let’s avoid that January/February scenario by asking the question in a way we all agree on, and let’s ask it now.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 9, 2019 6:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matt Serlin <<a href="mailto:matt@brandsight.com" target="_blank">matt@brandsight.com</a>>; Mark Svancarek (CELA) <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com" target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>>;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I’m not sure I follow Brian’s proposal to remove the last sentence or what is meant by taking a “leap of faith”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">If our recommendations for a centralized SSAD model (an idea that seems to have achieved some level of consensus), but the Board doesn’t
accept this new role for ICANN…then what? Note that this would likely come to a head in January or February, and we’d either need to convince the Board to reconsider, or have nothing to show for a year’s work. I’m a bit surprised that this outcome is a risk
that the IPC or GAC/NTIA would be willing to take.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">The last sentence isn’t a threat or prediction. It is a direct ask of the Board to consider this question
<b><u>now</u></b>, while we still have time to change course if they shoot down the model.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 17:09<br>
<b>To: </b>"Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com" target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>>, "James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I believe including that final sentence gets at the heart of the issue with the guidance we are seeking and removing it makes the letter less impactful IMO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yes, we think the Board and Org do know these things but I think being as explicit as possible with our words will help ensure we get the most clear answer from the Board as possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Reply-To: </b>"Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com" target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I still think it’s better not to close the letter with a threat or even a prediction. The Board and Org know the critical importance of giving us a decision answering this letter.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We suggest removing the final sentence. The rest of the letter is great.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 9, 2019 1:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Regarding the draft letter to the Board presented on Tuesday, some members were uncomfortable with the wording of the last sentence.
Since that call, I’ve been working with our Board liaisons (Becky and Chris) to make some edits. The resulting Revised Draft copied below. To expedite your review, please note that only the final sentence has changed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Letter from EPDP 2 to ICANN Board on Standardized System for Access/Disclosure (SSAD)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">To: ICANN Board<br>
CC: Goran<br>
CC: GNSO Council</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear ICANN Board,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We are writing to you at the suggestion of the EPDP 2 Board liaisons. The working group is at a critical junction which requires clear input from the Board in order to
further our work to produce realistic, timely, implementable policy recommendations. Specifically, we seek to understand the Board’s position on the scope of operational responsibility and level of liability (related to decision-making on disclosure of non-public
registration data) they are willing to accept on behalf of the ICANN organization along with any prerequisites that may need to be met in order to do so.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Our goal is to avoid policy recommendations that cement the current situation, where requests for non-public registration data are handled on a case-by-case basis by the
registry/registrar in a non-standardized and decentralized manner. We are considering several models for a Standardized System for Access and Disclosure (SSAD), including (but not limited to) the Unified Access Model (UAM) developed by the Technical Study
Group. All of the proposed “centralized” SSAD models presume that ICANN will assume an operational role, and, depending upon the model, some degree of responsibility and liability for decisions to disclose non-public data to a third-party requester. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">In some models, ICANN (or its designee) would approve accrediting bodies, or function as an accrediting body themselves. Some proposed models establish ICANN (or its designee)
as the entity that will conduct an initial validation of disclosure requests prior to relaying this request to the appropriate registry or registrar. Other proposed models would require ICANN to play a larger role, either endorsing the legitimacy of the request,
or issuing a determination of whether or not the registrar or registry should or must disclose the non-public data to the third party requester. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We recognize that our questions are clouded by the uncertainty associated with constructing a model that is compliant with
the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and other privacy laws. We are also aware of the work of ICANN org (via the “Strawberry Team”) to engage with data protection authorities to better understand the liability involved in decisions to disclose non-public
registration data. As noted above, our goal is to produce realistic, timely, and implementable policy recommendations, and our work requires Board input on the level of involvement and amount of liability they are willing to assume for ICANN org, along with
any prerequisites that may need to be met in order to do so. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Absent that input, the EPDP work must abandon the centralized SSAD model, and shift its focus to policy recommendations
aimed at improving the existing distributed model in which each registry and registrar independently evaluates, applies their own balancing test, and responds to queries on a case by case basis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">EPDP Phase 2 working group members</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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