<html><head></head><body>Thanks, Janis. Appreciate the clarification. I will not be joining you all in Montreal, but will try to follow remotely, when I can.<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thanks again.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Amr<br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 14, 2019, at 2:05 PM, Janis Karklins <<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com" class="">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Amr,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Indeed, I was corrected after sending out my message. I am not well aware of procedures. Sorry for that.</div><div class="">We will discuss way forward at ICANN 66. For the time being, we need to concentrate on closing building blocs and paving the way for the release of the Initial report.</div><div class="">Best regards</div><div class="">JK</div></div><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 1:33 PM Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" class="">aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">Hi Janis,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Some thoughts on this:</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Doesn’t this effectively mean that recommendations on Priority 2 issues will not be subject to a public comment period? Is this something we would want to do?</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Of course, we could initiate a second public comment period for a Draft Final Report, which includes the Priority 2 issues related recommendations, but that will likely defeat the desired outcome of trying to wrap Phase 2 up as efficiently as possible.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Amr<br class=""/><div class=""><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 12, 2019, at 11:49 PM, J <<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""/><div class=""><div style="font-family:TrebuchetMS;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Hi Greg,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Thank you for your mail and question.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">During the ICANN66 part of the last session on Thursday will be devoted to discuss a way forward until the end-Jan f2f meeting and ICANN67.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Currently we are working towards objective of submitting the initial report for public comments by early December. After that we will take up all Priority 2 issues aiming at submitting recommendations together with the Final Report.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">If for any reason we will not meet objective of early December, we will start addressing P2 issues in a run-up to and at the end-Jan f2f meeting. In that case objective will be to publish initial report containing also recommendations on P2 issues.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Hope such approach will find support of the Team.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Best regards<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:justify" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">JK<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><a name="m_-5640081331465274647__MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></a></div><div class=""><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=""><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class=""> </span>Gnso-epdp-team [<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class=""> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class=""> </span></b>Greg Aaron<br class=""/><b class="">Sent:</b><span class=""> </span>Saturday, October 12, 2019 1:45 AM<br class=""/><b class="">To:</b><span class=""> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:</b><span class=""> </span>[Gnso-epdp-team] schedule problem: Legal vs. Natural issue<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">The Phase 1 report said:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">“EPDP Team Recommendation #17.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">1) The EPDP Team recommends that Registrars and Registry Operators are permitted to differentiate between registrations of legal and natural persons, but are not obligated to do so.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">2) The EPDP Team recommends that as soon as possible ICANN Org undertakes a study, for which the terms of reference are developed in consultation with the community, that considers:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">* The feasibility and costs including both implementation and potential liability costs of differentiating between legal and natural persons;<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">* Examples of industries or other organizations that have successfully differentiated between legal and natural persons;<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">* Privacy risks to registered name holders of differentiating between legal and natural persons; and<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">* Other potential risks (if any) to registrars and registries of not differentiating.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">3) The EPDP Team will determine and resolve the Legal vs. Natural issue in Phase 2.”<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">The homework above looks like a pre-requisite for completing the charter and delivering the Final Report, but AFAIK it is not underway. How are we going to solve this dilemma?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">I note that some guidance about the above is contained in the Bird & Bird “legal versus natural” memo delivered at the end of Phase 1.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">All best,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">--Greg</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""/></div></div></blockquote></div>
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