<div dir="ltr">@Amr, wouldn't this be different from pre temp spec whois in at least one way:  the requestor will have already been credentialed as someone who belongs to a class of requesters that has an interest in getting access to specified data elements for a specified purpose, they will have agreed to use information for that purpose only, and will have entered into some form of contract to that effect.  Not saying that this should be enough, just that it does strike me as materially different from what happened before 25 May 2018.  </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:37 AM Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Hadia,<div><br></div><div>Are we both talking about the same thing? How is automated disclosure not equal to unfettered access. To me, it means exactly that. A machine will review the disclosure request, then provide an affirmative response allowing disclosure.</div><div><br></div><div>That’s exactly what used to happen pre Temp Spec. A whois lookup was conducted, and a machine returned the results. That was literally “automated disclosure”, and I thought we had all agreed that this was a thing of the past.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Amr<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:TrebuchetMS;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Amr,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I would just note that automated disclosure does not equal or mean unfettered access, it just means  that the request is handled by a machine instead of a human.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hadia<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>Amr Elsadr [<a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" target="_blank">mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</a>]<span> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:03 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi,<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Yes, we probably can agree on a number of elements to this. Like I said in my last email, I think Alex has raised a few reasonable and specific examples within the processing of a disclosure request where automation may be both desirable and possible. I’d welcome discussion on these.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">However, automation of certain steps in processing of disclosure requests is one thing, while any notion of automating the decision to disclose personal information, as well as the action of disclosure (which MarkSV indicated in his 4th bullet) is an entirely different thing, which I believe should be abandoned completely.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Fully automating the decision to and act of disclosure is basically akin to reverting back to the pre-GDPR WHOIS, even if only applicable to a subset of exclusive 3rd parties. Calling it automated disclosure wouldn’t even be accurate. It’d be more accurate to describe it as unfettered access, with little to no oversight.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I’m sure the idea of this kind of access is appealing to different stakeholders, and would be useful to many, but I just don’t see how it would work and remain compliant with data protection regulation. Also, the more time we spend on this as a possibility (which I do not believe it to be), the more time we waste on issues where we will have no agreement, instead of working towards agreement on the issues where that is certainly possible.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Amr<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <<a href="mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Hadia@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi all,</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I actually see us mostly in agreement. I think what some of us are saying now, automation of disclosure as a general concept might be impossible, however, automation under certain lawful basis for specific purposes and under certain circumstances might be possible either now or in the future. Volker as an example mentioned that he might allow for some form of automated access for certain requestors, under certain circumstances. I believe we should keep the policy open in this regard and not try to close the door for any future possible forms of implementation, especially that as we move forward many of the uncertainties will become known and many of the ambiguities of the new law will become clearer.<span> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hadia</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Gnso-epdp-team [<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>James M. Bladel<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:53 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Mueller, Milton L; Mark Svancarek (CELA); Janis Karklins; Volker Greimann<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">In fact, I think we’re in agreement right up until the last step (or the last 2).</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">J.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light"">-------------</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light";color:rgb(0,176,80)">James Bladel</span></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light"">GoDaddy</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>From:<span> </span></b>"Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br><b>Date:<span> </span></b>Monday, October 21, 2019 at 15:30<br><b>To:<span> </span></b>"Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>>, "James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, Janis Karklins <<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>>, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br><b>Cc:<span> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span> </span></b>RE: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:4.5pt;border-left-color:rgb(166,166,166);padding:0in 0in 0in 14pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;background-color:rgb(235,235,235)"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Notice:</span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">This email is from an external sender.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">OK, thanks Mark for clarifying here.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Yes, things like ack of receipt of proper submission validation and authentication of credentials  can all be and should be automated.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">It’s the actual decision to disclose or not that can’t be, in my view.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">--MM</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Mark Svancarek (CELA) <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>><span> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, October 21, 2019 6:08 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>James M. Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>; Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; Janis Karklins <<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>>; Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>RE: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">inline</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Gnso-epdp-team <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>James M. Bladel<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, October 21, 2019 2:23 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Mueller, Milton L <</span><a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">milton@gatech.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>; Janis Karklins <</span><a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">karklinsj@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>; Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’m unclear on what/which function is being “automated”. Is it the:</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Intake of requests? </span><u></u><u></u></li></ul><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">[Mark Svancarek (CELA)] yes</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Credential check? </span><u></u><u></u></li></ul><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">[Mark Svancarek (CELA)] yes</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Request submission validation (format & completeness, not content)</span><u></u><u></u></li></ul><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">[Mark Svancarek (CELA)] yes</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Request review and disclosure (agree with Volker, below; this probably can’t be both automated and legal).</span><u></u><u></u></li></ul><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">[Mark Svancarek (CELA)] TBD</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks—</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>J.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light"">-------------</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light"">James Bladel</span></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light";color:rgb(0,176,80)">GoDaddy</span></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>From:<span> </span></b>Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a>> on behalf of "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">milton@gatech.edu</span></a>><br><b>Date:<span> </span></b>Monday, October 21, 2019 at 1:42 PM<br><b>To:<span> </span></b>Janis Karklins <<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">karklinsj@gmail.com</span></a>>, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a>><br><b>Cc:<span> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:4.5pt;border-left-color:rgb(166,166,166);padding:0in 0in 0in 14pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;background-color:rgb(235,235,235)"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Notice:</span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">This email is from an external sender.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am afraid I don’t see the difference between automatic and automated.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Examining a request in an “automated” process sounds an awfully lot like automatic disclosure to me. This is not an area where diplomatically fuzzy wording will work. Either requests are automated or they are not.<span> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">--MM</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Gnso-epdp-team <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Janis Karklins<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, October 21, 2019 11:31 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I think we need to be careful and not to mix two terms: automatic and automated.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We agreed at the beginning of the process that there won't be an automatic access or disclosure. Each request will be examined on its own merits - in automated or manual  fashion. When it comes to manual processing - we will attempt to standardize it as much as possible.<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">JK<u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:30 PM Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi Hadia,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">the problem with automatic disclosure is that even if it were legally possible in certain circumstances, it carries with it a certain liability risk. Naturally therefore, it should be the decision of the party (-ies) carrying this liability whether they accept this liability risk or not. From everything Göran has told us, ICANn will not be the party accepting this liability, so that leaves the contracted parties.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I for one would be open to granting some form of automated access to certified law enforcement agencies of my own jurisdiction (and others that may be legally applicable) for example as they have the power to legally compel me to provide that data, but others may not accept that liability of short-cutting due process.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">6(1)a - is a tricky number, since it also (amongst other requirements) requires us to provide evidence of that consent, and everytime we act through third parties, we cannot be sure that the consent we gathered is actually that of the data subject.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">As far as processing for fraud protection, IT security, etc go under the GDPR, I would advise revisiting this section as you may be surprised as to whose protection and security this is intended for (that of the processor and controller, but not that of unrelated third parties). It is a legitimate purpose for internal processing by the processor but not for disclosure by a third party who wants to use it for that purpose. So again, it is not as easy as you think it is.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">You are correct that for<span> </span><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">the balancing test you need to prove that the interests of the data subject does not override the interests of the requestor, but for that, you need to look at the specific circumstances. I think it would be very difficult to automate such a review to find out the interests of the data subject, let alone figuring out whether they do not outweigh the interests of the requestor. Maybe Google and Facebook have that kind of AI tech, but we don't. Again, certain types of LEA requests may be on a different scale that make this easier.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">I have been a big fan of doing the LEA part first and then looking at what parts of that would be adaptable to other requestors from the start. With that, we would likely already have another part that would be ready for development now.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">Volker</span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Am 21.10.2019 um 15:35 schrieb Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">Hi ,</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">At least we can agree that using the accreditation system only for identification is a waste of money, resources and defies any kind of logical thinking. Also Amr,  I don't know why you see automatic disclosure as impossible (provided of course that it abides by the law)  Whether automatic disclosure will be possible or not will depend on the lawful basis used for disclosure and on the specific context and circumstances (under some lawful basis and not all). So for example if you are disclosing data under 6(1)(a) -consent for specific purposes- I would argue that automating this is both desirable and possible. But also if we look at the disclosure of the data under 6(1)(f) (legitimate interest) In order to decide whether to disclose the data or not you will need to perform a legitimate interest assessment which would consist of three parts</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">Purpose test</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">Necessity test</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">Balancing test</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">For the purpose test, legitimate interest may include a wide range of purposes, however GDPR specifically mentions fraud prevention, IT security and criminal acts as legitimate interests so if you have parties accredited for specific purposes they can automatically pass this test.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">For the necessity test you need to prove that there is no other logical, less intrusive way to achieve your purpose, again if you have parties accredited for specific purposes this test can also be automated.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">For the balancing test you need to prove that the interests of the data subject does not override the interests of the requestor and again under similar contexts and circumstances maybe this could be possible.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">I am not trying now to decide what can or cannot be automated as this will need thorough studying, but what I am trying to say that it is not useful to anyone to just decide that automatic disclosure would be impossible. We might be wasting good implementation solutions and practices if we come up with a policy that states so.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">Best</span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(79,129,189)">Hadia</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Gnso-epdp-team [</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:purple">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Amr Elsadr<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, October 21, 2019 1:43 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Volker Greimann<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I think we need to be very clear on what we’re discussing, and what different groups might be seeking or agreeing to. Alex pointed out a number of areas where automation may be helpful in processing disclosure requests, which we should take in to consideration.<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">However, the notion of<span> </span><b><i>“automatic disclosure”</i></b> (which to me, includes the decision and actual action/performance of disclosure) is not one that I imagine could be worked out, without infringing on the rights of registrants. I’m open to listening to why some might find that to be incorrect or not a sufficient deterrent, but right now, my view is likely the opposite of the IPC’s. I don’t believe we should be recommending a policy that allows for automatic disclosure under any circumstance.<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So regarding action item 1, this part of the discussion should not result in any update to the Accreditation Building Block. Like Volker said, there is no agreement on this specific point.<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Amr<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi JK,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">we are not disagreeing here, I think, just trying to clarify our understanding. I also agree to that principle.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Best,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Volker<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Am 21.10.2019 um 12:48 schrieb Janis Karklins:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Volker,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I had impression that the principle that "SSAD should be as much automated as possible and standardized for the rest" was agreed by all groups in the Team already a while ago.<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">When we are thinking about implementability and scaleability of the system, ambiguities in formulations may not be helpful. I understand that on some issues groups may have divergent or even opposing opinions. We should be as flexible as possible and as precise as possible and look at the SSAD as a package of different compromises by all groups. <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">JK<u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:45 AM Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi Alex,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">thank you for your response. I don't think that anyone opposes the idea that certain aspects of the system can and should be automated, however that is not the general usage of the term in this group so far. "To automate" was always discussed in the context of automating the disclosure decision, and in that context, we cannot support this language.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I think it would be helpful if we were all more clear in what we mean when we use certain words.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Automating completeness, error checking and notices of receipt makes sense and it would be very much appreciated if the system takes care of that for us, but that is not what we mean by "automation".<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">To your last points, I think we have established that all requests will likely be those of the 6.1.f. variety, and those all include that notorious balancing test which needs to take into consideration facts that are not part of the request and in my view cannot be automated.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My personal position on this is that this point can be left open:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If a disclosing CP feels that they can automate that part as well, they should be able to do so, but we should not mandate it. So by striking the reference at this point, we do not prohibit such automation, but we also do not mandate it. That strikes me as a workable compromise between our positions, won't you agree?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Best,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Volker<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Am 20.10.2019 um 19:02 schrieb Alex Deacon:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Volker and all, <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Our thoughts on the topic of automation. <br><br>The IPC objects to any policy that does not allow for the automation of request/response processing.    Once again I remind everyone we are defining policy for a *system* that will be RDAP based - not a process that is based on "old fashioned" technology like smoke signals, wax sealed correspondence written by quill and ink, telex messages, faxes or email.   (We already did this in Phase 1 Rec 18)<br><br>Clearly we want a policy that allows for the automation of syntax checking of incoming requests, resulting in an automatic response that indicates the errors to the requestor.   This automation addresses the risk of filling up the request queues of the discloser with malformed requests.  <br><br>Clearly we want a policy that allows for the automation of checking that the contents of a request is complete, based on policy we are setting in another building block, resulting in an automatic response that details what is be missing (per policy).    This automation allows for the discloser to indicate - without human intervention - what additional information is required per policy and enables the requestor to address the error. <br><br>Clearly we want a policy that allows for the automation of an immediate and synchronous response that indicates the receipt of a valid request and some indication that it will be processed.   Typically such responses include a "ticket number" or some kind of uniqueID to allow for future queries (status, updates, deletion, etc.).   This automation allows for efficient queue management on the disclosers side and assists in ensuring our principal of "predictability" is met for the requestor.  <br><br>It is important to note that in none of the three points above do I state or even suggest that automation will or can result in the automatic response of non-public data. <br><br>However having said that - there is no doubt in my mind that there will exist some subset of well formed, valid, complete, properly identified and accredited requests for some subset of legal basis and some subset of purposes that indeed can be automatically processed and result in the disclosure of non-public RDS data without human intervention.    The IPC would object to any policy language that would explicitly forbid this from ever happening.  <br><br>Thanks. <br>Alex<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">___________<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b>Alex Deacon</b><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Cole Valley Consulting<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:alex@colevalleyconsulting.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">alex@colevalleyconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">+1.415.488.6009<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi Caitlin,</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I don't think 4.B) Principle B:</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt">        <span> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What does accreditation mean? The group discussed the potential for allowing for the automatic disclosure where allowed under the law suggest “and automation of responses where possible under applicable law”</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">truly captures the content of our disscussion. The draft should only contain agreed language and the inclusion of "and automation of" was very much not agreed. In fact this language was opposed by a large group and therefore should be removed unless approved.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-- <br>Volker A. Greimann<br>General Counsel and Policy Manager<br><b>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br><br>T: +49 6894 9396901<br>M: +49 6894 9396851<br>F: +49 6894 9396851<br>W: <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.key-systems.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850101395&sdata=wwXqmAGFBMVG%2FgLvtFJfeM6XhVYiBjdw4XfNG7IGYC8%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">www.key-systems.net</span></a><br><br>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br><br>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.<u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:17 AM Caitlin Tubergen <<a href="mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">caitlin.tubergen@icann.org</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dear EPPD Team:</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s EPDP Team meeting.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">The next EPDP Team meeting will be<span> </span><b>Tuesday, 22 October</b>at 14:00 UTC.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Marika, Berry, and Caitlin</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">EPDP Phase 2 - Meeting #25</span></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">Proposed Agenda</span></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thursday, 17 October 2019 at 14.00 UTC</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u><span style="font-size:11pt">Action Items</span></u><u></u><u></u></div></div><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Support Staff to update the text of the<span> </span></span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1zAEBygpoddKOJOfb1whMtaQHcik856aZZc9BoDk392E%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850111391&sdata=MRBLrTYDXWSrVB5FyNvYgGWi4yLzsRJGwfaIfFMepJc%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Accreditation Building Block</span></a><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">and<span> </span></span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1Ci-wvA1P9yoKjJ5DPeRbZ5FOHL2D8ExGsN2SV9TPELM%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850121384&sdata=17S6zSG1ezCXUAuQGN21tn0GJED4ijq2evFOUKxj4oE%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Financial Sustainability Block</span></a><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">based on today’s discussion.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">EPDP Team to provide additional edits in the</span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1zAEBygpoddKOJOfb1whMtaQHcik856aZZc9BoDk392E%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850121384&sdata=4Ip04FoN3n3cThM4wm%2FCPb3AZBbkvdLdz%2Bb1LVxxJkY%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Accreditation Building Block</span></a><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">re: implementation guidance and definitions by COB tomorrow,<span> </span><b>Friday, 18 October</b>.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">EPDP Team to provide additional edits from today’s conversation to the<span> </span></span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1Ci-wvA1P9yoKjJ5DPeRbZ5FOHL2D8ExGsN2SV9TPELM%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850131378&sdata=brmVjFg0gItGFr7qIFA190Z9s5ZZxGB5julRVji6MSg%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Financial Sustainability Block</span></a><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">by<b>Friday, 18 October</b>.</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">EPDP Volunteers needed to propose initial text for</span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1eZBzRclRtEXPp1EScDfftnfnv9tneD7ovxmGe84BQz4%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850141382&sdata=5kA1TLduV9ptjAU%2BFO77A2xsW8apbDiYbKtHgoyq9Qo%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Building Block M – Terms of Use/Disclosure Agreements/Privacy Policies</span></a><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">by<span> </span><b>Monday, 21 October</b>.</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">1.                            Roll Call & SOI Updates (5 minutes)</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">2.                            Confirmation of agenda (Chair)</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">3.                            Welcome and housekeeping issues (Chair) (5 minutes)</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">a)                      Update from legal committee</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">b)                    <span> </span></span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fx%2Fk5ICBw&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850141382&sdata=2JQbu1eq4mWRzW7vMr53oPugwZfx59zXB7YaXyUQ0is%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Status of building blocks</span></a><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">4.                           <span> </span></span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1EOZY0oNiBrtAOZeka3LCMwyMiaGjSJLVDTcyVl4YnHY%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850151377&sdata=vbshdxORxe1FwEAfvw0UIMCcQjRik2G2Wll%2B9Qrnp3Q%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Accreditation</span></a><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(building block f and j) – second reading continued (30 minutes)<span> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">a)                      Overview of implementation guidance section</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">b)                     Feedback from EPDP Team</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Principle b</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Requirements should be spelled out as part of the policy discussion</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">There will be different types of entities and may have different documentation to provide</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">These requirements should be as uniform as possible</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">C may need to come before B</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">There needs to be an underlying baseline of requirements that are uniform.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Accreditation is all about identification; thought the group agreed that accreditation is at a minimum about identity, but it could also establish other things as well – such as law enforcement, cyber security, etc.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It would be helpful to draw a line b/w the accreditation process and what needs to be included in the disclosure request – parties seeking accreditation should probably not have to include every scenario where a law enforcement would have to interface with the SSAD – hoping the Team can be more specific with baseline requirements for accreditation</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Law enforcement will likely have a different accreditation system than other entities, so that conversation should be separate</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What does accreditation mean? The group discussed the potential for allowing for the automatic disclosure where allowed under the law suggest “and automation of responses where possible under applicable law”</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Accreditation does not equate to automated response by default – each query will be decided upon on its own merits</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Certain types of people (user groups) may allow for streamlining – some categories may involve more scrutiny – to that extent, accreditation is more than authentication of identity</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">By adding too much into one subject, the discussion is encumbered. The discussion of accreditation and authentication should be decoupled.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The small team for accreditation agreed that accreditation is not authorization. It might be desirable and helpful to have attributes associated with accreditation. The only attribute that will consistently make a difference is whether it is law enforcement or not. With respect to cyber security researchers, any IT person could legitimately claim to be doing cyber security research. There shouldn’t be entry barriers that say you are or are not cyber security researchers.<span> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The building block includes a list of definitions, which the Team has not yet discussed.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If accreditation only proves identity, the Team is limiting what it can discuss with regard to the release of data.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Support Staff to try to analyze what was said during the conversation with respect to Subpoint B and Subpoint C for online consideration</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Principle d</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:144.35pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What is the expectation for what de-accreditation means?</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:144.35pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Accreditation would be that the accreditation is who they say they are; as a result, there is access to the system without further verification of identity. If an entity is de-accredited, it would need to be re-accredited.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:144.35pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This would mean that the authority could revoke access to the system, not “de-accredit”.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Principle g</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What is the accreditation policy and requirements – where is this?</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The accreditation policy and associated requirements have not been drafted/implemented yet</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Principle i</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Issue with replaced “must be paid for service” with “cost-recovery system” – this could suggest that the costs need to be covered by another form. The whole system is for the benefit of third-party users who would request disclosure of registration data – concerned with costs being shifted to registrants</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Two types of costs involved – development and deployment of the system and then the cost of day-to-day running of the system</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The costs need to be considered in a cost-recovery system. The purpose of accreditation is to lower these costs. Whatever cost-recovery system takes place – these costs need to be recovered from the users of the system, not from registrants or contracted parties.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Have issues with the terms “significantly reduce”. This is a separate system. The Team really needs to consider a cost-benefit analysis of figuring out someone’s ID – how much will this actually cost? Is it achievable?</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Perhaps the second sentence could be moved to Block N.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">There are two sets of development costs – accreditation system and SSAD. This paragraph should be limited to the development of the accreditation system. Re: development of SSAD – that should be moved to Building Block N.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Agree with moving the second sentence to Building Block N. If the benefit exceeds the cost, there needs to be an escape valve in the policy. As a policy principle, it should be the benefits of the SSAD system must outweigh the costs.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If there are too many requirements, the system will be too expensive. Avoid saying the costs outweigh the benefits. This language needs more work to make it clear what the team is after.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Maintain first sentence and delete second sentence</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This conversation can be moved to the financial building block.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Registrants do get something from the SSAD – a reliable and secure DNS. The SSAD is not a clean slate – the current system is the registrars having to do the work themselves, and someone is paying for this.<span> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">There is a clean and reliable DNS system today – to say “cleaner” and “more reliable” would be preferable. Costs may be occurring in other areas that are offset for a system that doesn’t currently exist is problematic and disproportionate.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Principle k</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The use of the word “tagging” is confusing</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Marc to submit proposed updated online</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What is the meaning b/w the first and second sentence?</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The SSAD takes requests from accredited and unaccredited users, so unaccredited users will be treated a different way. RDAP is a query response protocol, where you query the system and get a response back. There will now be instances where some queries will be responded to right away and others will be queued (for balancing tests have to be conducted) and the response will be returned later – RDAP was not designed to be used in this way.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The second sentence in k does not make sense.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Implementation Guidance Feedback</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Drafting note c – legitimate and lawful purpose described above (stated)</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Some implementation belongs in the policy – a and b could be left in implementation guidance. C and D could be left in the policy language as opposed to implementation guidance.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">De-accreditation – this will depend on what the specifics of accreditation are and what it would mean for someone to be de-accredited</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">At the F2F, the Team talked about de-accreditation for the users of the system and the accrediting entities. E and G are potentially in conflict with each other.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What does access to the system mean? Even bad actors should have access to the public data.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This hinges on unaccredited users having access to the system – is the SSAD being used by everyone, or just accredited users?</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Can the Team agree that the SSAD could be used by both accredited and non-accredited users? The difference is that accredited entities will query the system w/o verification of the entity.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">SSAD should be usable by everyone and not exclude anyone</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">How one does identity verification is a decision ICANN should be making in the public interest.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:103.5pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Concern that individuals should not be prevented from getting access to data they may need to protect their domain name</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.5pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">c)                      Confirm next steps</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Support Staff to update the text of the Accreditation Building Block based on today’s discussion. EPDP Team to provide additional edits in the Google Doc for implementation guidance and definitions by COB tomorrow, Friday, 18 October.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">5.                           <span> </span></span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1Ci-wvA1P9yoKjJ5DPeRbZ5FOHL2D8ExGsN2SV9TPELM%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850151377&sdata=OgjiCKCvbtQg33%2BIrDp1z2n9vvc%2BycHsHlLNvFcJPpU%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Financial Sustainability</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(building block n) – second reading</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">a)                      Overview of updates made following first reading</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">b)                     Feedback from EPDP Team</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Third paragraph: cost-recovery basis is used in multiple places. The Team needs to define this term. Cost-recovery is a term of art in accounting, and that definition is probably not what the Team meant here.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cost recovery may mean different things to different people. Also, what does “historic costs” mean in this context? The users of the system should be sustaining the capability of the system on an ongoing basis.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Second paragraph – object to contracted parties bearing the costs.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Different parties will bear different costs – this language does not explain that division of responsibilities. For example, accredited entities will bear the costs of getting accredited. The parties who are receiving the queries that contracted parties would be responsible for setting up their systems to receive queries and respond to them.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Registrants being beneficiaries of the system may be a tenuous argument</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Fourth paragraph – in favor or usage-based fees that sustain the operation of this system.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:2in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10pt">        </span><span><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">A system cannot be costed out unless we know what the system is designed to do.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">c)                      Confirm next steps</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">6.                           <span> </span></span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1eZBzRclRtEXPp1EScDfftnfnv9tneD7ovxmGe84BQz4%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850161369&sdata=SKCYwUftUqwLFFqbnq6hNHobuA3JfaqgZemg1%2FxN6%2F8%3D&reserved=0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:purple">Terms of use / disclosure agreements / privacy policies</span></a><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(building block m) – first reading</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">a)                      Review building block</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">b)                     Feedback from EPDP Team</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">c)                      Confirm next steps</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:67.7pt"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">7.                            Wrap and confirm next EPDP Team meeting (5 minutes):</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1.5in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">a)                      Tuesday 22 October 2019 at 14.00 UTC</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">b)                     Confirm action items</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-left:1in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">c)                      Confirm questions for ICANN Org, if any</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New R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