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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">In fact, I think we’re in agreement right up until the last step (or the last 2).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">J.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light"">-------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light";color:#00B050">James Bladel<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light"">GoDaddy</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">"Mueller, Milton L" <milton@gatech.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, October 21, 2019 at 15:30<br>
<b>To: </b>"Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <marksv@microsoft.com>, "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com>, Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com>, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">OK, thanks Mark for clarifying here.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yes, things like ack of receipt of proper submission validation and authentication of credentials  can all be and should be automated.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It’s the actual decision to disclose or not that can’t be, in my view.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mark Svancarek (CELA) <marksv@microsoft.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 21, 2019 6:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com>; Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu>; Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com>; Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-epdp-team <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 21, 2019 2:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <</span><a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">milton@gatech.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>; Janis Karklins <</span><a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">karklinsj@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
 Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’m unclear on what/which function is being “automated”. Is it the:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">[Mark Svancarek (CELA)] yes</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">[Mark Svancarek (CELA)] TBD</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Gnso-epdp-team <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a><span style="color:black">> on behalf of "Mueller, Milton
 L" <</span><a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a><span style="color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, October 21, 2019 at 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Janis Karklins <</span><a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com">karklinsj@gmail.com</a><span style="color:black">>, Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><span style="color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><span style="color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><span style="color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I am afraid I don’t see the difference between automatic and automated.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Examining a request in an “automated” process sounds an awfully lot like automatic disclosure to me. This is not an area where diplomatically fuzzy wording will
 work. Either requests are automated or they are not. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-epdp-team <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janis Karklins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 21, 2019 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we need to be careful and not to mix two terms: automatic and automated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We agreed at the beginning of the process that there won't be an automatic access or disclosure. Each request will be examined on its own merits - in automated or manual  fashion. When it comes to manual processing - we will attempt to
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:30 PM Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Hadia,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>the problem with automatic disclosure is that even if it were legally possible in certain circumstances, it carries with it a certain liability risk. Naturally therefore, it should be the decision of the party (-ies) carrying this liability whether they
 accept this liability risk or not. From everything Göran has told us, ICANn will not be the party accepting this liability, so that leaves the contracted parties.
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<p>I for one would be open to granting some form of automated access to certified law enforcement agencies of my own jurisdiction (and others that may be legally applicable) for example as they have the power to legally compel me to provide that data, but others
 may not accept that liability of short-cutting due process. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>6(1)a - is a tricky number, since it also (amongst other requirements) requires us to provide evidence of that consent, and everytime we act through third parties, we cannot be sure that the consent we gathered is actually that of the data subject.
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<p>As far as processing for fraud protection, IT security, etc go under the GDPR, I would advise revisiting this section as you may be surprised as to whose protection and security this is intended for (that of the processor and controller, but not that of
 unrelated third parties). It is a legitimate purpose for internal processing by the processor but not for disclosure by a third party who wants to use it for that purpose. So again, it is not as easy as you think it is.
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<p>You are correct that for <span style="color:#4F81BD">the balancing test you need to prove that the interests of the data subject does not override the interests of the requestor, but for that, you need to look at the specific circumstances. I think it would
 be very difficult to automate such a review to find out the interests of the data subject, let alone figuring out whether they do not outweigh the interests of the requestor. Maybe Google and Facebook have that kind of AI tech, but we don't. Again, certain
 types of LEA requests may be on a different scale that make this easier.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:#4F81BD">I have been a big fan of doing the LEA part first and then looking at what parts of that would be adaptable to other requestors from the start. With that, we would likely already have another part that would be ready for development
 now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:#4F81BD">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:#4F81BD">Volker</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 21.10.2019 um 15:35 schrieb Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#4F81BD">Hi ,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#4F81BD">At least we can agree that using the accreditation system only for identification is a waste of money, resources and defies any kind of logical thinking.
 Also Amr,  I don't know why you see automatic disclosure as impossible (provided of course that it abides by the law)  Whether automatic disclosure will be possible or not will depend on the lawful basis used for disclosure and on the specific context and
 circumstances (under some lawful basis and not all). So for example if you are disclosing data under 6(1)(a) -consent for specific purposes- I would argue that automating this is both desirable and possible. But also if we look at the disclosure of the data
 under 6(1)(f) (legitimate interest) In order to decide whether to disclose the data or not you will need to perform a legitimate interest assessment which would consist of three parts</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#4F81BD">Purpose test</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#4F81BD">Necessity test</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:#4F81BD">For the purpose test, legitimate interest may include a wide range of purposes, however GDPR specifically mentions fraud prevention, IT security and criminal acts as legitimate interests so if you have parties accredited for specific
 purposes they can automatically pass this test.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:#4F81BD">For the necessity test you need to prove that there is no other logical, less intrusive way to achieve your purpose, again if you have parties accredited for specific purposes this test can also be automated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:#4F81BD">For the balancing test you need to prove that the interests of the data subject does not override the interests of the requestor and again under similar contexts and circumstances maybe this could be possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:#4F81BD">I am not trying now to decide what can or cannot be automated as this will need thorough studying, but what I am trying to say that it is not useful to anyone to just decide that automatic disclosure would be impossible. We might
 be wasting good implementation solutions and practices if we come up with a policy that states so.
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<span style="color:#4F81BD">Best</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amr Elsadr<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 21, 2019 1:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Notes and action items - EPDP Meeting #25 - 17 Oct 2019</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think we need to be very clear on what we’re discussing, and what different groups might be seeking or agreeing to. Alex pointed out a number of areas where automation may be
 helpful in processing disclosure requests, which we should take in to consideration.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">However, the notion of
<b><i>“automatic disclosure”</i></b> (which to me, includes the decision and actual action/performance of disclosure) is not one that I imagine could be worked out, without infringing on the rights of registrants. I’m open to listening to why some might find
 that to be incorrect or not a sufficient deterrent, but right now, my view is likely the opposite of the IPC’s. I don’t believe we should be recommending a policy that allows for automatic disclosure under any circumstance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So regarding action item 1, this part of the discussion should not result in any update to the Accreditation Building Block. Like Volker said, there is no agreement on this specific
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">we are not disagreeing here, I think, just trying to clarify our understanding. I also agree to that principle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Am 21.10.2019 um 12:48 schrieb Janis Karklins:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I had impression that the principle that "SSAD should be as much automated as possible and standardized for the rest" was agreed by all groups in the Team already a while ago.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">When we are thinking about implementability and scaleability of the system, ambiguities in formulations may not be helpful. I understand that on some issues groups may have divergent
 or even opposing opinions. We should be as flexible as possible and as precise as possible and look at the SSAD as a package of different compromises by all groups. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:45 AM Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Alex,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">thank you for your response. I don't think that anyone opposes the idea that certain aspects of the system can and should be automated, however that is not the general usage of
 the term in this group so far. "To automate" was always discussed in the context of automating the disclosure decision, and in that context, we cannot support this language.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think it would be helpful if we were all more clear in what we mean when we use certain words.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Automating completeness, error checking and notices of receipt makes sense and it would be very much appreciated if the system takes care of that for us, but that is not what we
 mean by "automation".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To your last points, I think we have established that all requests will likely be those of the 6.1.f. variety, and those all include that notorious balancing test which needs to
 take into consideration facts that are not part of the request and in my view cannot be automated.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My personal position on this is that this point can be left open:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If a disclosing CP feels that they can automate that part as well, they should be able to do so, but we should not mandate it. So by striking the reference at this point, we do
 not prohibit such automation, but we also do not mandate it. That strikes me as a workable compromise between our positions, won't you agree?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Am 20.10.2019 um 19:02 schrieb Alex Deacon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Our thoughts on the topic of automation. <br>
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The IPC objects to any policy that does not allow for the automation of request/response processing.    Once again I remind everyone we are defining policy for a *system* that will be RDAP based - not a process that is based on "old fashioned" technology like
 smoke signals, wax sealed correspondence written by quill and ink, telex messages, faxes or email.   (We already did this in Phase 1 Rec 18)<br>
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Clearly we want a policy that allows for the automation of syntax checking of incoming requests, resulting in an automatic response that indicates the errors to the requestor.   This automation addresses the risk of filling up the request queues of the discloser
 with malformed requests.  <br>
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Clearly we want a policy that allows for the automation of checking that the contents of a request is complete, based on policy we are setting in another building block, resulting in an automatic response that details what is be missing (per policy).    This
 automation allows for the discloser to indicate - without human intervention - what additional information is required per policy and enables the requestor to address the error. <br>
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Clearly we want a policy that allows for the automation of an immediate and synchronous response that indicates the receipt of a valid request and some indication that it will be processed.   Typically such responses include a "ticket number" or some kind of
 uniqueID to allow for future queries (status, updates, deletion, etc.).   This automation allows for efficient queue management on the disclosers side and assists in ensuring our principal of "predictability" is met for the requestor.  <br>
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It is important to note that in none of the three points above do I state or even suggest that automation will or can result in the automatic response of non-public data. <br>
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However having said that - there is no doubt in my mind that there will exist some subset of well formed, valid, complete, properly identified and accredited requests for some subset of legal basis and some subset of purposes that indeed can be automatically
 processed and result in the disclosure of non-public RDS data without human intervention.    The IPC would object to any policy language that would explicitly forbid this from ever happening.  <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi Caitlin,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I don't think 4.B) Principle B:
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What does accreditation mean? The group discussed the potential for allowing for the automatic disclosure where allowed under the law suggest “and automation of responses where possible
 under applicable law”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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 was opposed by a large group and therefore should be removed unless approved. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s EPDP Team meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The next EPDP Team meeting will be
<b>Tuesday, 22 October</b> at 14:00 UTC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marika, Berry, and Caitlin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">EPDP Phase 2 - Meeting #25</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Proposed Agenda</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Support Staff to update the text of the
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 Building Block</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> and
</span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1Ci-wvA1P9yoKjJ5DPeRbZ5FOHL2D8ExGsN2SV9TPELM%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850121384&sdata=17S6zSG1ezCXUAuQGN21tn0GJED4ijq2evFOUKxj4oE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Financial
 Sustainability Block</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> based on today’s discussion.
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 Building Block</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> re: implementation guidance and definitions by COB tomorrow,
<b>Friday, 18 October</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo9">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EPDP Team to provide additional edits from today’s conversation to the
</span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1Ci-wvA1P9yoKjJ5DPeRbZ5FOHL2D8ExGsN2SV9TPELM%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850131378&sdata=brmVjFg0gItGFr7qIFA190Z9s5ZZxGB5julRVji6MSg%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Financial
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<b>Friday, 18 October</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo9">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EPDP Volunteers needed to propose initial text for
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 Block M – Terms of Use/Disclosure Agreements/Privacy Policies</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> by
<b>Monday, 21 October</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.                            Roll Call & SOI Updates (5 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2.                            Confirmation of agenda (Chair)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.                            Welcome and housekeeping issues (Chair) (5 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">a)                      Update from legal committee</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">b)                    
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">a)                      Overview of implementation guidance section</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">b)                     Feedback from EPDP Team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Principle b</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Requirements should be spelled out as part of the policy discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There will be different types of entities and may have different documentation to provide
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">These requirements should be as uniform as possible</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">C may need to come before B</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There needs to be an underlying baseline of requirements that are uniform.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Accreditation is all about identification; thought the group agreed that accreditation is at a minimum about identity, but it could also establish other things as well – such as law enforcement,
 cyber security, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It would be helpful to draw a line b/w the accreditation process and what needs to be included in the disclosure request – parties seeking accreditation should probably not have to include
 every scenario where a law enforcement would have to interface with the SSAD – hoping the Team can be more specific with baseline requirements for accreditation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Law enforcement will likely have a different accreditation system than other entities, so that conversation should be separate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What does accreditation mean? The group discussed the potential for allowing for the automatic disclosure where allowed under the law suggest “and automation of responses where possible
 under applicable law”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Accreditation does not equate to automated response by default – each query will be decided upon on its own merits</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Certain types of people (user groups) may allow for streamlining – some categories may involve more scrutiny – to that extent, accreditation is more than authentication of identity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">By adding too much into one subject, the discussion is encumbered. The discussion of accreditation and authentication should be decoupled.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The small team for accreditation agreed that accreditation is not authorization. It might be desirable and helpful to have attributes associated with accreditation. The only attribute that
 will consistently make a difference is whether it is law enforcement or not. With respect to cyber security researchers, any IT person could legitimately claim to be doing cyber security research. There shouldn’t be entry barriers that say you are or are not
 cyber security researchers. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The building block includes a list of definitions, which the Team has not yet discussed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If accreditation only proves identity, the Team is limiting what it can discuss with regard to the release of data.
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Support Staff to try to analyze what was said during the conversation with respect to Subpoint B and Subpoint C for online consideration</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What is the expectation for what de-accreditation means?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Accreditation would be that the accreditation is who they say they are; as a result, there is access to the system without further verification of identity. If an entity is de-accredited,
 it would need to be re-accredited.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This would mean that the authority could revoke access to the system, not “de-accredit”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Principle g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What is the accreditation policy and requirements – where is this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The accreditation policy and associated requirements have not been drafted/implemented yet
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Issue with replaced “must be paid for service” with “cost-recovery system” – this could suggest that the costs need to be covered by another form. The whole system is for the benefit of
 third-party users who would request disclosure of registration data – concerned with costs being shifted to registrants</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Two types of costs involved – development and deployment of the system and then the cost of day-to-day running of the system</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The costs need to be considered in a cost-recovery system. The purpose of accreditation is to lower these costs. Whatever cost-recovery system takes place – these costs need to be recovered
 from the users of the system, not from registrants or contracted parties.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Have issues with the terms “significantly reduce”. This is a separate system. The Team really needs to consider a cost-benefit analysis of figuring out someone’s ID – how much will this
 actually cost? Is it achievable?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Perhaps the second sentence could be moved to Block N.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There are two sets of development costs – accreditation system and SSAD. This paragraph should be limited to the development of the accreditation system. Re: development of SSAD – that should
 be moved to Building Block N.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Agree with moving the second sentence to Building Block N. If the benefit exceeds the cost, there needs to be an escape valve in the policy. As a policy principle, it should be the benefits
 of the SSAD system must outweigh the costs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If there are too many requirements, the system will be too expensive. Avoid saying the costs outweigh the benefits. This language needs more work to make it clear what the team is after.
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Maintain first sentence and delete second sentence</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This conversation can be moved to the financial building block.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Registrants do get something from the SSAD – a reliable and secure DNS. The SSAD is not a clean slate – the current system is the registrars having to do the work themselves, and someone
 is paying for this. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There is a clean and reliable DNS system today – to say “cleaner” and “more reliable” would be preferable. Costs may be occurring in other areas that are offset for a system that doesn’t
 currently exist is problematic and disproportionate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Principle k</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The use of the word “tagging” is confusing
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Marc to submit proposed updated online</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What is the meaning b/w the first and second sentence?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The SSAD takes requests from accredited and unaccredited users, so unaccredited users will be treated a different way. RDAP is a query response protocol, where you query the system and get
 a response back. There will now be instances where some queries will be responded to right away and others will be queued (for balancing tests have to be conducted) and the response will be returned later – RDAP was not designed to be used in this way.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The second sentence in k does not make sense.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Implementation Guidance Feedback</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Drafting note c – legitimate and lawful purpose described above (stated)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some implementation belongs in the policy – a and b could be left in implementation guidance. C and D could be left in the policy language as opposed to implementation guidance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De-accreditation – this will depend on what the specifics of accreditation are and what it would mean for someone to be de-accredited</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At the F2F, the Team talked about de-accreditation for the users of the system and the accrediting entities. E and G are potentially in conflict with each other.
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What does access to the system mean? Even bad actors should have access to the public data.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This hinges on unaccredited users having access to the system – is the SSAD being used by everyone, or just accredited users?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can the Team agree that the SSAD could be used by both accredited and non-accredited users? The difference is that accredited entities will query the system w/o verification of the entity.
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">SSAD should be usable by everyone and not exclude anyone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How one does identity verification is a decision ICANN should be making in the public interest.
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Concern that individuals should not be prevented from getting access to data they may need to protect their domain name</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">c)                      Confirm next steps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Support Staff to update the text of the Accreditation Building Block based on today’s discussion. EPDP Team to provide additional edits in the Google Doc for implementation guidance and
 definitions by COB tomorrow, Friday, 18 October.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">5.                           
</span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1Ci-wvA1P9yoKjJ5DPeRbZ5FOHL2D8ExGsN2SV9TPELM%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C8de8234c95c845eb42cd08d7566cda96%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637072897850151377&sdata=OgjiCKCvbtQg33%2BIrDp1z2n9vvc%2BycHsHlLNvFcJPpU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Financial
 Sustainability</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> (building block n) – second reading</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">a)                      Overview of updates made following first reading</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">b)                     Feedback from EPDP Team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">        </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Third paragraph: cost-recovery basis is used in multiple places. The Team needs to define this term. Cost-recovery is a term of art in accounting, and that definition is probably not what
 the Team meant here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">        </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cost recovery may mean different things to different people. Also, what does “historic costs” mean in this context? The users of the system should be sustaining the capability of the system
 on an ongoing basis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Second paragraph – object to contracted parties bearing the costs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">        </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Different parties will bear different costs – this language does not explain that division of responsibilities. For example, accredited entities will bear the costs of getting accredited.
 The parties who are receiving the queries that contracted parties would be responsible for setting up their systems to receive queries and respond to them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Registrants being beneficiaries of the system may be a tenuous argument</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">        </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fourth paragraph – in favor or usage-based fees that sustain the operation of this system.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">        </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A system cannot be costed out unless we know what the system is designed to do.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">c)                      Confirm next steps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">a)                      Review building block</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">b)                     Feedback from EPDP Team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">c)                      Confirm next steps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">a)                      Tuesday 22 October 2019 at 14.00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">b)                     Confirm action items</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">c)                      Confirm questions for ICANN Org, if any</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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