<html><head></head><body>Thanks for this, Marika. It’s certainly helpful.<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thanks again.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Amr<br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 25, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" class="">marika.konings@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Amr, please note that this principle was put in brackets as it was recognized during yesterday’s meeting that this one needed further work, if it is to be included at all.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">As a reminder, this section was originally introduced in an attempt to be responsive to the following charter question: “</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">How can RDAP, that is technically capable, allow Registries/Registrars to accept accreditation tokens and purpose for the query? Once accreditation models are developed by the appropriate accreditors and approved by the relevant legal authorities, how can we ensure that RDAP is technically capable and is ready to accept, log and respond to the accredited requestor’s token?“.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Hopefully someone more technically versed in RDAP can respond to your questions.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Caitlin, Berry and Marika</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" class="">aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" class="">aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, October 25, 2019 at 07:15<br class=""/><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" class="">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Gnso-epdp-team] Accreditation Building Block - Principle "u" concerning RDAP Identifying Accredited SSAD Users<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m having trouble understanding why one of the principles in the Accreditation Building Block requires RDAP to be technically capable of identifying SSAD Accredited Users. This is included in sub-point “u” in the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-90NgBnkZt8mRL2acJUPOwoIkx5clvXlCaCC3RAOGWU/edit" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Accreditation Building Block</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Isn’t SSAD meant to be the tool by which 3rd Parties will be requesting disclosure of redacted Registration Data? Accreditation of users of SSAD provides “benefits” to its users, which are specific to SSAD itself. SSAD in turn, will interface with RDAP to provide disclosure of requested redacted data following a successful conclusion to a disclosure request. I’m failing to see how requiring RDAP to be able to identify accredited users assists this in any way.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If we do proceed with this principle/recommendation, wouldn’t that require significant changes being made to the RDAP profile? RDAP will need to include all domain name registration data, as well as all the data (or at least access to it) necessary to identify all SSAD-accredited users. I’m guessing this could be done by either duplicating the database of SSAD-accredited users, or allow the RDAP interface to enable RDAP operators to look up information on accredited users in SSAD.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The only benefit I can think of in doing this would be to enable 3rd Parties accredited in SSAD to either submit their disclosure requests via SSAD, or directly via a Contracted Party allowing it to confirm that the Requestor is accredited. But that isn’t what we’ve agreed to do, is it?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If a 3rd Party would like to seek disclosure of redacted Registration Data directly via a (for example) Registrar, then it should do so according to the Registrar’s own procedures. The Registrar should then proceed to evaluate the disclosure request based on its own evaluation of the request, and not based on any ICANN Policies we are developing concerning a standardized system.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m guessing that adding this feature to RDAP will be both costly and burdensome, and absent justification to do so, should likely not be done at all. Unless I’m missing something, of course, which I very well might be.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Amr</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""/></div></body></html>