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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Volker, James and all,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Volker - No need to take my input personally, I as just merely pointing out pointing out the financial economic realities and incentives of the Registrar vs Registrant contractual relationship.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">James - I just wanted to point out that the focus should be more on the concept of a balance test (e.g. cost vs benefit) and not actually a "conflict of interest".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Jennifer Gore <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> Gnso-epdp-team [mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 4, 2019 7:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Draft Initial Report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>while I personally like Jen very much, I find this comment and the implication of a conflict of interest immensely offensive. This insiunuation of intent to profit from illicit use is frankly outrageous.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 03.12.2019 um 23:56 schrieb Jennifer Gore:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hello All, </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">In my opinion, the Registrar is the worst party to be the decision maker of the data subject due to the blatant conflict of interest. The registrant will have already entered into a legal relationship
with the registrar under the registrant (end user) agreement along with it being in the best interests of the registrar to
<u>not terminate</u> the relationship with the registrant. Therefore, I hope Milton
<u>is not saying</u> that he will hold up consensus even if the DPAs do support the isolation of centralized decision making within ICANN Org.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best regards, </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Jennifer </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Jennifer Gore </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Internet Governance</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Winterfeldt IP Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://12/1"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;text-decoration:none">1200 17</span></a><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://12/1"><sup><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;text-decoration:none">th</span></sup></a><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://12/1"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;text-decoration:none"> St
NW</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">, </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://12/1"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;text-decoration:none">Ste 501</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://12/1"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Washington, DC 20036</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue"><a href="mailto:jennifer@winterfeldt.law">jennifer@winterfeldt.law</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">+1 202 340 9631</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-epdp-team [<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> King, Brian <a href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com"><Brian.King@markmonitor.com></a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Draft Initial Report</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> King, Brian <<a href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com">Brian.King@markmonitor.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>Are you saying that even if the DPB writes to the Strawberries and says
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>“yes, it’s possible to isolate liability for decision-making centrally with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>ICANN Org”, it would still be impossible for us to come to consensus on
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>the centralized decision-making model? (ignoring how (un)likely we think
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>that response is)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Yes, indeed. That is what I am saying. This is one reason we are not so pleased with all this kerfuffle about the EDPB. You’re putting the cart before the horse.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">What matters is not whether it is legally _possible_ for ICANN to magically absorb the legal responsibility of the registrars for releasing the data of their customers; what matters is whether
that is _<i>desirable</i>_ from a policy standpoint. Legal advice or “guidance” from the EDPB has no bearing on what is the right policy, it only clarifies whether one of the policy options is feasible.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">We want the disclosure decision to be made as close as possible to the party who is directly accountable to the registrant, the data subject, and that’s the registrar. We believe that the legitimate
interests of data requestors are served by standardizing the process, and centralizing and facilitating requests, but centralizing disclosure is going to make it into an automated rubber stamp, as I suspect you have already figured out.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton L Mueller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">School of Public Policy
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